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Components That Give Back, Suspension Tips, Tire Sealant Ratios & Epic Listener Questions...MTB Podcast Episode 88 [Podcast]

MTBpodcast · Components That Give Back, Suspension Tips, Tire Sealant Ratios & Epic Listener Questions...Ep. 88

MTB Podcast Episode 88 is hot off the press! We begin with updates from Jeff on his trip to the Amazon and Jared on his tri, followed by Liam's new hardtail build. We also discuss the launch of Trail1 Components followed by a myriad of listener questions ranging from our thoughts on 27.5 to Jeff's next bike & more.

00:00 Intro

01:47 Jeff's Trip to the Amazon Jungle

04:01 Jared's Catalina Tri Results

07:23 Liam's Why Cycles Hardtail Build

13:11 Trail One Components

16:18 Listener Questions

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[Music]

ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 88 of the mtb podcast presented and

hosted by worldwide cyclery i am jeff i'm liam and i'm jared in today's episode we are going to

discuss tons of various fun things mostly about mountain bikes because that's what mtb stands for yeah jared

and this is the mountain bike podcast this is the mountain bike podcast so we're going to talk about my recent trip to the amazon jungle where i got a

massive bug bite on my wrist and thought i was going to die we're going to talk about jared's triathlon results he

finally did it even though we've been talking about it for months liam's soon to come hard tail

hardtail how do you feel about that liam we're gonna see uh we're gonna talk about how we are

supporting kids riding bikes during the month of november rather than promoting consumerism via black friday sales we're

gonna talk about trail one a component brand that we founded with our friend bkxc that'll give back to the trails on

top of crafting the components that we've always wanted we're going to answer piles of listener

questions that as always range from valuable mtb knowledge and humor and uh

what else are we talking about here oh that's yeah those are notes

you can't we can't say those all right dj meatball play a sound effect do you love riding single track but

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Jeff's Trip to the Amazon Jungle

so jeff you came back from the amazon covered in bug bites yep uh one of them was worse than the

others just tell us a little bit about what happened down there well i went to the amazon jungle the western part of it

in peru to a remote eco lodge that's all off the grid it was pretty cool so a friend of

mine puts on these trips for entrepreneurs where it gets about 20 of us together we go to some like remote lodge somewhere and do businessy

personal development things and nature stuff and actually did a mountain bike ride there i rode a a really clapped out

old old mountain bike with 26 inch wheels and v brakes wow with such deteriorated like chain and drivetrain

and shifter cable it didn't even shift so i just left it in one gear relic no dropper post yeah this thing was a relic

it was just like the bike that had at the lodge there it was pretty cool so we hammered out a little five mile ride in the amazon jungle it was cool um we did

a bunch of stuff there but yes the amazon jungle i'd heard many people before i went there tell me that oh yeah it's amazing

but i'll never go back yeah and i was like huh okay and now i definitely feel the same way and i realize because it's

just tough living conditions it's so hot so humid you're covered in sweat your sheets are wet nothing dries and you're

covered in bug bites and spider bites and it's just it's brutal so one of them on my wrist got like probably half the

size of a golf ball with like a bright red ring around it and it was a little worrisome because i was it was a solid

10 hours from like a bad hospital [Laughter]

that was how far i was from puerto maldonado in peru which yeah i don't i would not want to go to that hospital

wow um and i was just you know from there it's like an hour and a half flight to lima where hopefully there's a good hospital there but yeah so anyways

that was a bit concerning i still ha i still have like a band-aid situation going i don't have my

watch where i normally wear it because it still hurts like this this is like a bug bite that is has lingering effects

for like 12 days now wow it's it's finally going away so that's that's good

but so amazon jungle is amazing i would highly recommend it but i would recommend it for two to three days tops yeah i'm almost positive

that if you if you live somewhere like north america and you go to the amazon jungle you're gonna be pretty over those

living conditions after two or three days but it is cool it was a great trip good times so i enjoyed that um yeah

Jared's Catalina Tri Results

that's that jared your triathlon it was you text me a photo man yeah first place

i won my age group one is age group i don't know how many people are in it maybe a handful but it was so fun catalina was awesome like

never been there first time going like so casually such a cool island yeah cruise islands off the southern coast of

california right so dale island yeah one of the channel islands santa cruz is one of the big ones

um so yeah we took the ferry from long beach out there it's like an hour or two i don't really remember honestly

but yeah super cool in avalon like cool little downtown and like pretty much saw all the same people that were

on the ferry the whole weekend like that's how small it is um and yeah just like

it was really fun it was a sprint triathlon so i finished in like an hour and 45 minutes so my goal was

under two hours so stoked about that oh nice work yeah how what was the swim half a mile and the milestone

and then uh nine mile ride with 1200 feet of climbing

and then on a road bike spandex yeah well try suit i mean you pretty much do it all

you wore the same thing on the bike that you were swam in yeah so the tri-suit is underneath the triathlon's work i don't

really care about trying also the tri-suit goes underneath i mean i had to learn about all this stuff too

underneath the wetsuit take off the wetsuit and then yeah just go and then you pretty much just take off your riding shoes put on your running shoes

and then do the it was 5k run after the ride so i definitely like did the best out of all

of the you know disciplines riding the bike because that's what we obviously do yeah um but yeah it was it was fun to

just like drop people on the climbs and yeah yeah it was it was fun i would definitely do it again um we're thinking

about doing another one in june like we're probably going to do another one in like half iron man next summer with a

few of the guys so nice hopefully i'm i told myself i wasn't gonna do another one but then i got roped into it so

we're gonna do another one that's how it always happens yeah i think it'll be really fun like do a proper legit um you know half

ironman like and then maybe i'll retire after that what about those exteriors aren't those more of like mountain biking triathlon

style things the same thing when you ride a mountain bike and you trail run i believe that sounds way cooler that sounds cool you should do that yeah

sounds like a better idea sure i'm in yeah sign me up well come do the one in june like with us and then we'll do that

afterwards i won't do the exterior we could put our own triathlon on yeah absolutely our own xterra

wow sounds like fun you're looking at me like that's way more work than i think it is huh it is liam doesn't uh cross me

as much of a swimmer i'll i'll actually swim i don't run though okay i'll hike all day or i'll run uphill what about

like power walk power walk as long as the run is not too long could easily do that oh hike yeah there you go

sounds fun it's good it's a good way to mix it up how to just you ride mountain bikes 24 7. so yeah mix it up a little triathlon yeah but it was super fun

my parents went out there cheered me on my girlfriend so it was really fun and also yeah just aside from the uh you

know athletic aspect just fun to spend time with them out there and go to a new place and yeah and i definitely would love to go back and like bring a gravel

bike or a cross-country bike because you can ride around the whole island i guess um and there's a bunch of like bison out

there like huge herd of them so i didn't get to see any but i would love to go see some bison huh

yeah the adventures of jared and his spandex speaking of spandex liam you're building

Liam's Why Cycles Hardtail Build

up a hard tail yeah but you're not gonna it's like it's like a trail bike cool hard tail not

like an ultra lightweight cross-country hardtail but well yeah you tell us about it well

i haven't had a hardtail since like i was racing xc and i think 2014 or 15.

even the last few years i had a full suspension when i was racing so it's been a while since i've had a hard tail um

i had a lot of parts just kind of laying around and i got

uh i got to see the y cycles el jefe in person y cycles is revel's sister brand

and i was pretty stoked on it and it looked like it'd be fun and honestly i've been riding gravel bikes with like

a bunch of my buddies and i just kind of get upset sometimes when we ride gravel bikes on stuff i don't want to be a

gravel on a gravel bike so i was like we should ride hardtails and they're like oh why would we do that like because that's what this is meant

for yeah way more fun yeah it's titanium the at least a flat bar yeah so it's give me a titanium hardtail i have a 120

sid for uh an old like 11 speed drivetrain uh spam drivetrain so it'll be kind of

fun it's just kind of like throwing it together through some parts but like it'll kind of be an experiment to ride

something with like modern reach modern head tube angle yeah like good like 120

mil fork 35 stands but not like it also won't be a pig yeah hopefully it's a thai frame

bars with a sid fork on it it'll be light yeah or something entire choice three

i'm gonna think i'm gonna start with either recon two four front recon race two for a rear or recon race recon race

um nice yeah that's gonna be a fun bike yeah it'll be fast it's just gonna be like well i'm gonna call it like my

gravel plus bike but it's really just a hard time mountain bike [Laughter]

but whenever we wanna do gravel routes that are like a little bit and like ah there's like definitely like you know

more than 10 single track in that route i'm bringing this bike oh yeah yeah no-brainer yeah that's cool idea that

thing has a bunch of mounts on it too right for bike packing and you can you can do a little bike packing adventure on it if you wanted to yeah the guy who

it's named after uh jeffy is a sick like ultra

um i don't know what you call like long distance yeah bike packer like yeah

i have no idea tour racer um so he does like and he does a lot of single speed so it can also be ran

single speed so i'm actually kind of stoked on that because i want to run a single speed and like go to single speed events because

those look like a really good time yeah those just look like giant parties exactly yeah yeah that'd be cool isn't

that how a mat from rebel had his setup as a single speed yeah yeah yeah yeah we were doing mountain

bike rides with a guy on like full proper full suspension bikes with gears and he was just riding a single speed

hard time with like technical climbs like did you yeah these big riser bars on it yeah that thing was rad but yeah

that was cool i kind of want one too now so yeah we'll see it'll be an experiment and

why not that's gonna be sweet that seems like a fun bike ride all the bikes yep it's cool to just try new bikes and different ones especially if you've been

riding full suspension mount bikes forever to just try a hardtail because yeah they have their own unique things yeah it'll be fun and there's some fun

routes i want to do and like now my revel ranger has gotten like almost so built up now

towards basically a trail bike again it's not like an xc bike anymore so yeah there's some routes that i like doing

especially in the winter time like up in ohio that now my bike's almost too beefy for so yeah the gravel bikes like not quite

enough yeah just like one individual bike for every slight different terrain

i'm getting there that's what we're all trying to do

right well speaking of all this um something i wanted to bring up is we actually did

this last year last november and well black friday cyber monday that whole thing so we're doing a variation of it

this year so nika the national interscholastic cycling association that is a non-profit organization that

is making the sport of mountain biking an accredited activity i guess or sport in middle schools and high schools all

over the country it's something that we really like to support as a non-profit and last year we did a big promotion

raised over ten thousand dollars for him doing the same thing this year so we're basically every order placed on

worldwidecycler.com one dollar gets donated to nike and we're doing 10 off of all gift cards so

wiseguy move there is if you want to buy something for 10 percent off just buy a gift card then use the code you know you can figure it out

anyways we're we're recording this on november 18th we're on already on track to do uh over ten thousand dollars in

terms of a donation for nike for this month so i'm stoked on that i really want to try to

i just kind of believe in business 2.0 which is businesses that are trying to like bring good to society and good to

the world and not just like they don't exist for the sake of making money but they exist for the sake of like making the world better and promoting good

healthy outdoor fun and giving back and yada yada so that's just my shameless plug for what we're doing for november

it's much better than going to best buy and trampling over someone to buy a tv yes you know have you done that you're

looking at me like you've done it no i didn't mean to you didn't mean to trample someone i was

proved innocent i swear no never happened well on the tv jared yeah came with the

place does your apartment smell of rich mahogany and leather bound books of

course yes ron burgundy it's an anchor man joke if no one got

that i feel like people are losing like anchorman jokes are like fading away because the movie's getting so well it's a different generation these days yeah

these kids are too young well and then they try and do the sequel and then it's just yeah the sequel yeah a sequel

bombed yeah for sure go watch the original anchorman if you haven't seen it yeah that is a great movie yeah so on

Trail One Components

the same topic of brands that give back something we have been working on for actually is it four years liam i think

four years i've been in almost three yeah so i think four years this has been we've been working on this so um a

friend of ours bkxc brian kennedy he's a kind of big mountain bike guy on youtube

and he's traveled all around the world sort of documenting documenting awesome mountain bike rides um him and i've been

friends for quite some time and we did we put together this brand called trail one components the idea behind the brand

is that we're gonna make kind of the components we've always wanted really high-end premium stuff launching with stems bars grips and a few other things

but on top of that every component sold one dollar will go back to trail networks either the trail

network that that component is actually named after or it'll go into a treasury and the treasury trail networks will be able to

apply for to get a grant to like work on their trails and so the brand will make premium components give back to all the

trails that we you know ride and love and yeah that's kind of like it's baked into the business model to sort of give

back to the sport we love and kind of what really matters here is like we all ride these trails um not do we all like

donate back to the organizations that help build these things so that's kind of what trail where trail one was like

that's kind of like the genesis of the idea and we've been working on it for a really long time takes a long time to

make really good quality mountain bike components turns out that doesn't just happen overnight especially

when a pandemic hits in fact that did slow things down a bit and they're like we don't even see your

website so why are we going to sell your product and from something else yeah yeah so yeah that that made it a

challenge but we we finally got this you know brought this thing to fruition uh it's trail one dot bike if you want to

check it out it's also in the show notes we will be talking about that more in just upcoming media content yeah we're

excited i mean you know basically the grips it was like a collaboration between lima and myself if you're

watching this video on the mtp podcast youtube channel you can see them um liam and myself sort of like created the grip

that we always wanted with like the exact little specifications of like padding for your hands in this spot and

you know little ribs there diamond pattern yada yada so i don't know it's stuff that we're really proud of and like and enjoy we actually have a

california made cnc'd stem that looks pretty rad with some oil slick bolts so

yeah we've worked really hard on this over a long time and want to actually make a brand that has like very comparable high quality components that

can hang with the best of them and also give back to the trails that that we love and ride so check it out i would

really appreciate it trail one dot bike that's one spelled out o-n-e um what next do we have here listener

questions and we've got some good ones we have some good ones we always have some good ones as usual before listener

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Listener Questions

tire sealant is too much is there too much can you have too much

well according to orange seal on their website and on the back of the bottle which i'm pretty sure on all stand sealant says the exact same thing and

probably every other bottle of sealant 26 to 27.5 inch tire 3 ounces 29ers 4

ounces but that doesn't answer the question if you're over that it's too much oh

okay yeah but i feel like i guess yeah it is slightly misleading because when

you just say 29 or 4 ounces there's a big difference between the air volume in a 29 by 2.0 cross-country tire and a 29

by 2.5 enduro tire that's true so my thought is if they're saying four

ounces if you got a skinny xc tire go three ounces and if you got a a beefy enduro or downhill tire go five ounces

five that's a lot i i say stay three to four coming from weight weenie jeff i'm surprised you even suggested adding

another ounce to your gun each time jeff actually doesn't skimp on the tire sealant and tells me

to add extra before he goes on trips really well that's fair probably in his head i don't want to have flats that's fair

and have okay the thing is is the more flats you've gotten and like little holes you've poked or thorns or whatever

sealant just goes spraying everywhere you don't want that to run out i feel like you need sealant in there and it

dries out that's true you know after some months yeah i don't know i mean that's a it's a the

question there is just a google search and that's the recommended thing it's on the back of every sealant bottle yeah so

but it is important you don't want to put too much because that's kind of useless added weight but you don't want to put too little because then it dries out too fast it might not be enough to

actually seal the puncture so it is definitely a valid thing i guess i guess you're right if you're like needing to use all four ounces of sealant that you

put in there maybe bring a tube also you should always always have a tube well i'm just saying can we just make a

whole video about that yeah well i'm just saying you know for this different ways to carry your mtb essentials or something like that yeah this guy should

probably carry a tube if he's worried about this yeah that's the question for jared because oh

that's gonna do it should i put a coil on 130 millimeter travel

bike hell yeah why not life is short dude

get that coil man who else needs to tell you yeah do it okay here's where the question stems

from the question is more of about like it's a 130 ml travel bike so the less travel you have then like kind of the

theory goes the less benefit you're gonna get from a coil and the more you're concerned about weight and coils

are always heavier than air shocks yeah there's a reason it's still a theory it's not proven

okay i'd say proven yes debatable also yes i'd say it's in a debatable opinion

yeah it's proven that it they're awesome they feel good yeah but it depends how you want your bike to feel yeah

i know all jokes aside just depends on where you live and like the trails you ride i mean if you live in squamish like yeah it's true well the other the other

problem there too is a lot of bikes that are 130 ml travel and less don't have a progressive suspension curve right so

you can't even use a coil unless it's a push shock or some custom tuned

coil that has the progressivity built into the actual shim stack of the shock got it but i mean how much do push 11 6

shocks cost jared [Music]

they're expensive yeah so it is hard so that's something to consider i mean that's honestly any bike if your bike if

the frame was not engineered with like a progressive suspension curve like you can't really run a coil because the coils are inherently more linear and

travel yeah that's right i've put a coil on the sp-130 um before you have experience with this

and that bike is progressive enough that you can do that right i still didn't like it no it's just it's too late for me and i'm and i have a

hard balance because i'm so light that i have to run a pretty light coil to get the benefit of coil right because like

you want it soft off the top that's why you're running coil spring over air yeah but then on a 130 i just felt like i was

bottoming out like all the time and i was like sitting too far in the stroke um running that coil where i would have

had to go up a spring and therefore i'm like just not getting a benefit with coil anymore what about like a progressive spring i had a mrp

progressive spring on it actually king creek makes those not too yeah yeah yeah i had an mrp on it and it just i just

bottomed out too much for my like riding style and then i ended up going with the super deluxe with a magneg and i kind of

got the best of both worlds but i also put a push shock on my revel ranger which jared also just did

actually i just borrowed that push shock from revel nice i didn't buy it jared bought his [Laughter]

uh and it was really fun and i raced an enduro race on it with 115 mil travel with a push shock but yeah again it's a

different situation so these guys are putting coil shocks on 115 mil travel bike

so the answer to the question should you put 130 mil travel bike is sure yeah you know well one suits your riding

style and is the bike progressive enough to do it or are you running a custom shock that's got you know that's

compensating for that so right you got to take both those boxes regardless of the travel bike or you could send it to

like avalanche or something probably right have them like tune it for you right maybe oh can you do that on any

shock you could probably do they might be able to take you from like a medium to like a more compression compressive

compression like with a higher with more high speed basically is that what that would be more high speed to ramp it up

well you wouldn't just want high speed though it just doesn't get kind of harsh like you're hitting the wall interesting

yeah yeah this stuff does get pretty complicated pretty deep into some graphs yeah and

it's it's also one of those things that like one it's fun to just change parts out and experiment with them so there's

always that you're telling me yeah yeah the other part is the vast majority of sort of novice and

intermediate riders are not going to notice any like huge gains that might be negligible or like kind of notice or

placebo effect but you're not you're kind of like splitting hairs here you're not like you're not getting anything

like monumentally different or better um i don't know i guess depending on where you're coming from things like that so i

don't know always always things to consider um when you're doing that stuff but you know experimenting with new bike

parts it's just addicting and fun so yeah so long story short don't do it like don't be cavalier about it like

look into what you're buying and make sure you're not just like wasting money on something that's not going to work right right so long story short it

depends yeah i guess that is how it goes that's kind of like that's like most mountain bike upgrades yeah is this a relevant

upgrade it depends situational well this ties into the next question really well which is

uh how low should the wiper o-ring get on your shock after a ride so that's

that little rubber o-ring that's on your fork stanchion and your rear shock stanchion

i call it the phonometer or the phonometer thermometer yeah i like that

yeah well so so that thing's there that thing is there for i mean a couple reasons one to help you figure out your

sag when you're initially setting up your suspension but it's also there's for you to know like is you know do you

just bounce up and down on the bike in the parking lot and i think it's like a pretty clear indicator like hey you totally bottomed out or only you've got

like 10 percent of your travel and you bunny hop that's not a good sign either so it's to let you know kind of how much

of your suspension you're using so that's what it's indicating and it gets a little challenging to figure

that out because like you do want to use like most of your suspension you don't want to be bottoming out a lot that

shouldn't happen but you kind of do want to bottom out in the event that like you should bottom you should have bottomed out if you're like casing a jump or

hitting some like big two flat drop like you do want to bottom out and if you're not your suspension's probably too stiff

for the rest of the ride right so that's kind of what that thing's there to help you learn that one of the best ways that

i've seen people learn like learn suspension kind of from square one is using one of those cork shock whizzes

yeah yeah so yeah that's a product that um what sram bots ram owns cork and it

hooks up to your air fork or shock and it's crazy bluetooth you've used using one i've actually never used it but i've

been meaning to use it for about three years now you should use it you've used it right

liam yeah of course yeah i should we have a whole video yeah detailed video about what it is on youtube and how to set it up and like

how it works and all that so yeah what's your experience with it you like you set it up and it tells you what yeah i mean

it gives you a lot of a lot of info and like data on about your ride um and it

makes suggestions based on that so it basically takes what you're riding and how much your sag you're using dynamic

sag it'll even measure like how many bottom outs you had or harsh hits you had wow so you could like dial in high speed low

speed it'll give you all these suggestions it just it does just put it in the algorithm and put it out so like

you have to write a pretty dynamic trail i would say before you start making like radical changes

and it does kind of tell you like hey we don't have enough data for your suggestions yeah it'll actually give you a score i believe like a percentage

score like oh yeah you're like a 92 percent you know so and then you can get like you know

100 score where it has like enough data to like make the changes so i think it's good i also just think it's

a good learning tool to like know what high speed it will tell you like oh if you change this high speed

compression yeah you'll feel it here if you change this low speed rebound this is where you're going to feel this or

add it add a volume spacer and like so it educates you as it's like giving you all of its data so that's pretty cool i

think that alone is like worth using it even if you like maybe make a little change here there at least you like are

understanding why you made that change yeah which i think is the biggest point for like any suspension yeah so that's that's where i recommend it to people

because a lot of people it's confusing high and low speed compression you know beginning and ending stroke rebound air

pressure tokens like all this stuff is quite cool no one even says beginning ending stroke rebound it'd make more sense if they did that's that's true and

that was basically low speed and high speed right yeah at the beginning so it's just really complicated and you

know high-end mountain bike suspension it's got this like plethora of adjustments that most people are like oh my lord what do i do with this and the

shockwiz helps you figure out what that is and educate you on that and it's fun to use it's kind of pricey it's like

what 300 bucks for 200 bucks it's not cheap but a lot of what we've seen people do friends customers they

buy one and they all just share it because like you're only going to need it for a month two months like play around with it for a while and then

depends on pass it off to your buddy and you get a new fork or if you get a new shock you know yeah yeah that's true

every time you get a new thing it like helps you set it up right the first time but usually to me it's like a fun

interactive educational susp like device yeah so and i think a lot of mountain bikers enjoy it for that you can uh

correct me if i'm wrong but you can basically go in there and tell it what you want your bike to feel like right like poppy or playful or planted and

yeah and then like once you select that it'll give you like what measurements you need to you know or what adjustments you need to

make yeah there's like i think three different two different bars with three different adjustments going from like planted to

playful or like maybe it's planted a poppy and like there's two of them so you can kind of toggle those around and

it'll spit out your different options so it's pretty sweet yeah probably do it yeah you should mess with it for sure

nice guys i've been trying to dial in that that fox 36 i have but i'm either i end up too high on the pressure because

i want to be like soft off the top but i want to ramp up so i should probably try it use it yeah yep yeah i think we just

have one here yeah we do everything for the staff to use don't bring it up because i have no excuse

yeah if you're curious about it um just type cork shockwaves into q-u-a-r-q

yeah just shockwaves cork not like a wine cork but quark yeah cork quark clark yes clark yes that's a strange

name um i have no idea where the root of that name is we should look that up

next question is will we see any kettle mountain jackets anytime soon love the brand smiley face i got the smiley face

by the way oh you put the smiley face yeah i just thought it was a nice gesture for them to say that great

um the the answer is yes uh we actually just put them on the site we have a basically a lightweight jacket and then

the same version of it that's fleece lined we work super hard on this like a four-way stretch really nice jacket that

works good for riding traveling all sorts of stuff we want to take the boxes with kettle just good apparel that works in a lot of scenarios and lasts you a

really really long time with a lifetime warranty so yes that's on the kettle mountain website the fleece lined one is

not yet but it will be soon and we have a couple of nice performance hoodies coming in like the next couple months so

yeah it's coming winter time is coming we're slowly but surely you know adding more stuff to the kettle mountain

product line and refining the existing stuff and doing our best to just build really good technical apparel that we

like so have you used a jacket yet i'm really excited for that jacket i got to try it today the word was that none of

the staff can buy them because we only have like a small first batch and yeah but i've probably got to spend more time

in it than anybody else because we did the photo shoot today so i have a prototype one that has like way too tight of like cuffs on it oh that's

perfect that's all me but no the new jacket's rad i love it i

can't wait to get one yeah dj meatball who's over here doing the audio right now he has a prototype one that's got like a white liner in it look he's all

smiling he likes it okay so there are people who have spent more time than me fine he dj meatball gets the prototype

once because he's also a size small like me so like the like p1's p2s that i don't use he i just give him a name i

guess i got some more lb's to drop [Laughter]

all right you're right so yes kettle mountain jackets are coming and we worked really hard on

those they came out nice um all right would jeff or any of us ever go back to 27.5 good question

william you go first yeah you're the only one who's even ridden a 27.5 bike in the last few years

only in the back wheel me too oh that's true i don't know mad when i started here

well three years ago you said a few okay three years ago but how many bikes

ago yeah okay recently and 12. so there you go

you know it's not that like it's not that bad like it's not

okay um you're not

hey you're gonna start riding this brand that you know only has 275 bikes now it's like okay i'll get used to it and

like within like two weeks i'll be riding the same speed the same everything like you know

it's not like a a major difference um and they're they have their benefits and

they're super fun uh do i see myself like going out and targeting to buy a 27.5 full suspension

bikes soon probably not um interesting yeah it's in the scenario someone's

forcing you to ride it and you've been given a couple of weeks to get used to it i'm sorry i'm just joking yeah i mean

it it is like i i it's a tough question because 27.5 it's it's not that it's bad it just has a

different use case that like 275 downhill bike all day i'd i would never ride a 29s down bike mostly because

like i'm not racing the thing yeah you're just going to bike parks yeah if you're just going to if you're just going to the bike park on a downhill

bike 275 is great yeah um but i don't know like your general sort of trail

enduro bike that you're doing a lot of climbing on ah that's where you get such good advantages of the 29 inch wheels yeah

including the down it's just it's just so it's hard yeah there's just a lot of advantages to it i mean certainly there's certainly

not one is better than the other it just depends on your preference right and i mean i think that's what all the

all of the legitimate sort of like 2075 versus 29 articles and videos like in my opinion like there's no defined winner

and if someone tells you there is they're blowing smoke it's just a personal preference like if you want the thing to be

a little bit more like flickable and sort of poppy and feel slightly more like a bmx bike

then sure of course smaller wheels are going to feel fun for you yeah um and if you want to be a little bit kind of

faster and i don't know roll over things slightly easier and some of those advantages then yeah 29 is going to be better for you so

not one's better than the other just different as preference but for most of what we do in like our general trail enduro riding

29s just work great and we just always ride them and kind of stick to them yeah i'll answer yeah go ahead um

i want to build a 27.5 bike for the park boom

there you go maybe even with a dual crown fork i want to build a mullet bike yeah see that's the thing which liam you

had yeah i had a rebel rail as a mullet and it was really fun and like

i i rode around here and it was pretty fun um but around us locally we have

pretty much fast socal style trails that are like straightaway rock gardens yeah you know

not a lot of tight stuff not a lot of tight stuff uh or like nothing like overly steep where

i needed like real real clearance either i took it to santa cruz and loved it up there i was like oh this bike's amazing

yeah and i pretty much like broke it in up there and got used to it up there and then i and i was like yeah i love this bike

as it as it is and i came back down here and i wrote the trails and i'm used to riding all the time and i was like oh okay this is where like it's not as fast

or like you know it wasn't as easy to get through that section and it's it's a pretty small difference and like

if i was like gonna like ride it for like six months i would have been fine i would have noticed any

difference yeah i mean tons of people run mullets now all over the place um but yeah i just

i didn't like the immediate change of efficiency that i was feeling so kind of a nerd on that so yeah yeah i

mean once you feel that it's hard to unfeel that i always wanted to take like something

like uh like a lighter weight travel trail bike like a ranger and make that a mullet like a lightweight mullet not

like because you had like a pretty beefy yeah this bike i wanted to take like a like originally

my idea was to take a yeti sb45 like a you know lightweight remember that 115

mil travel trail you talked about it yeah because that was also like no i wouldn't say it wasn't it

definitely wasn't slack it wasn't steep but like it would have been fine to put a 27.5 rear wheel on and ride yeah

so so here's a question would you rather do uh start off with the 29er make it a mullet or start off with the 27.5 make

it which would end up with the better bike i'm on a side of 29er making a mullet

because it's easier to raise bb than it is to lower bb okay

yeah i would do the same thing mostly because like if you take a 29er and you make it a mullet your bottom bracket is

going to be like abnormally low which is awesome unless you're pedaling

but who cares about battling right especially if you're making them all it's i'm like like if i took my ranger

my rebel ranger right now 115 mil travel in the back 120 in the front and if i may just put a 27.5 rear wheel on it

right now it would be like annoying on technical climbs like i'd be smashing my feet into things yeah

um but i think it would be wild to going down because it would be so low to the ground yeah

and i think that'd be cool yeah we should try that why not i should try that let's try that let's get 27.5 wheel

and let's do it well yeah 27.5 yeah it could be fun but i'd have to have a matching wheel

set yeah i just even first i have too much ocd to not have a match even for us

i hear dj meatball just laughing at me right now because i said that

maybe i don't blame you ah yeah i don't know maybe if we did it blindfolded then

you wouldn't see what i'm just kidding how are you gonna ride a blindfold

exactly it'd be ridiculous all right jared this question is for you all right what are your opinions on

socks and shoes as a combo that's an excellent question um

my thoughts on socks and shoes is a combo i could take or leave it

personally i prefer socks and birkenstocks but you know if you want to wear closed-toed shoes by all means

um if you had to wear one more combo for the rest of your life it would be socks and birkenstocks

this question doesn't even make any sense like what was this guy trying to ask us oh no that's my favorite part about it though this is like

what are your opinions on socks and shoes as a combo yes yeah no i mean they're okay it's okay but there's

better combinations out there like socks and birkenstocks or like no socks and shoes or no well

that's ridiculous i do in the summer sometimes but it makes your shoes smelly you do sandals i mean or yeah yeah i

mean socks and stocks the way to go it's the future that's the future

stocks and socks it's also the presents the ducks and socks okay what is your favorite pasta jared oh

okay well that's a really tough one hitting him with a left hook is lasagna included no i have no idea um this is

really tough because this boils down to the sauce too so all right less than 30 seconds here is it gonna be a white sauce or red sauce

white sauce uh it's gonna if it's a white sauce and it's gotta be long noodles and i'm probably gonna say a linguine

if it's a white sauce it's linguine if it's a red sauce i'm gonna go with like a farfalla or a um penne okay or a rigatoni wow you really

know your pastas way more educated

that was your smoker that you brought here for the little like company for the barbecue barbecue yeah yeah we we posted

we posted stories instagram stories of like some of the meat and it's got like so many replies and views like people

were stoked on just seeing like meat on our instagram right people were really stoked about that and i was

stoked that people were stoked and then of course we also featured dj meatball over here doing the audio who is a vegan

and uh and featured his double impossible well he was eating it he was eating an impossible burger with two

patties and he called it a double vegan burger or something by mistake

on it hashtag double vegan it was just like bread and just dry vegemite it's a

really sad sight it mustard and it was a really sad sight i mean

but dude people the meat people were loving the meat they were like there was that was really good a bunch of replies

to that instagram sort of like oh that's definitely good yeah we'll definitely do it again um

and i don't know next time might be pulled pork i might wake up super early and throw a pork shoulder on and we'll do uh pulled pork sandwiches and like

carnitas like we did it in colorado yes um because yeah that'd be great and then or

i don't know maybe do another try to it but the prices of red means like skyrocketing these days yeah yeah oh

company expenditure cool let's do brisket though i'm that's my favorite okay we'll do brisket brisket perfect

can you do like a 24-hour brisket oh oh daddy just the way they do it in texas it's so good i'll do a brisket for you

just the way you like it perfect yeah say less say less

uh this question is what is jeff going to build up next what bike is jeff going to build next so

uh i thought about this yeah but let's start this off with jeff has a record

going right now for having a bike the longest he's ever had and is his rebel ranger and it is

one twelve months yeah longest since i've been here and counting quite a long shot

well it's still november next day still november 2020 yeah it's still there well okay there's there's i do love that bike

and i have no reason to sell it but it's i also still have it because like bikes are limited inventory is still an

issue in the whole industry at large so yeah you think if we try to not it's almost so problematic like building

bikes in the past was just like hey i want to build this bike hear all the parts like let's do it and now it's like

a nightmare yeah of life oh well that's not in stock that's going to take two months like that's going to take four months like i'll let's just so i just

don't want to deal with the nightmare so i'm just going to keep riding what i have yeah and it's fair enough yeah do you think people would really be upset that

we cut an eagle cassette now yeah so my rebel ranger yeah we were

talking to love mtb the the youtuber cool dude on the phone today on a call and he was asking me he's like

you still riding that 12 speed that you what did he say he's like that you cut into 11 speed

and uh yes we took an eagle cassette and well i didn't do it it was just my idea but liam did it he was sawzalled not

sazel dremeled off the 52 tooth cog yeah and then i had this beautiful all

gold that's beautiful not a single car do you like golden

i think i'm going to build up that salsa blackthorne park bike yeah do it yeah do it

but i've also been thinking about a hard tail ooh titanium

cycles maybe that yeti arc i don't know i don't know what i want to do see i feel like for me when i was

thinking about hardtail i thought about the yeti rc and the lines of it are like so sexy that's a good looking brush it's

such a good look and that new dawn color that new dawn and it's fun i had an old bmx bike that

color and it's so sick um but there's this part of me that like

i feel like a rigid bike especially a hardtail mountain bike should be out of a metal and it has more soul that way

yeah and i've never owned a titanium mountain bike so it's just got that genesecular that

kind of forever feel you know them to the creme de la creme the creme de la creme that's a good question for youtube

community a pole yeah what type of bike has more soul carbon bike aluminum bike

titanium bike steel bike we all know it's titanium you don't know the answer to that

there there's going to be thousands of votes on that write that down yeah it doesn't really make any sense

but that's the point what frame material has the most soul

question mark i feel like any metal eliminates a little more carbon titanium

steel bamboo sugar whatever would you ride a bamboo

bike oh you've seen those ones that they made yeah they're sweet those are so hipster

i don't live in san francisco not right now i'm not right in the post office my

deliveries the salsa blackthorne park bike i've been thinking about putting a actual like a dual crown like

a boxer on that yeah do it right 190 boxes the same actual crap we should get started on that now seeing as it's

november and i'm not going to ride it until april so yeah and i also want to write it because you're going to write it like

three times and i'll write it the rest of the time might go to whistler this year or next year i'll join him but like when you're not riding border open me

too it is all right it is open we're in baby yeah wait no no back to whistler still closed

[Laughter] trust me the bike park will be crowded we'll go there in may though shh yeah i

would love to go early season obviously salsa blackthorne salsa is like what would you say that brand is

predominantly known for like adventurous adventure bike stuff yeah adventure bikes but killing that they have zone

they have adventured their way into like good high-end full suspension mountain bikes this guy

is like freaking a literary genius they've adventured their way into

high-end mountain bikes um and worked with dave wiegel dw the guy who makes the suspension platforms for what ibis

pivot davinci evil who else salsa oh yeah it's also yeah

and then i'm sure there's more he does he did iron horse but iron horse when that one one of the most winningest

spikes ever yeah yeah dave wiggles like a suspension kinematics genius incredible guy but so he he worked with

salsa to build their full suspension mountain bikes which are pretty epic the the cassidy and the blackthorne and we

have that raw aluminum blackthorne frame here actually good cassidy frame oh it

is yeah oh technically the same thing with the same frame different linkage and shock stroke yeah that's right we

have the longer travel one gotcha it's a pretty cool concept swapping out the links in the shocks and get different bike pretty much yes it's the same bike

just a different link in different shock it changes the travel yeah those things are well designed i was super impressed with them you know so i don't know i

have the frame sitting here so that's probably going to build up next i fully support that thank you just want to let you know that i don't have a long travel

bike like that no you don't you haven't had one for a while like when was a lot when was the last long travel bike you

had oh i had a transition down about your 11 to your life wow

years ago before i probably started probably just i used to go to whistler every summer

and just ride the downhill park i would just ride down the bikes it was so fun but i stopped i don't know

time to go lost it time to go back time to go back uh this question i saw this question and i knew one of you yahoo's

put this in here what is scarier jeff that is late for an appointment or drunk on a business trip

and i knew one of you yahoos did it because you're one of the few people have seen both of those things

let me ask you why did you ask this question well mostly because you were late the

other day for what i don't know running around you're i do that all the time yeah but you're

late like i gotta go [Laughter] runs out of here like shirt half on

riding a bike half the time or towing a bike like behind him i gotta go i gotta go i'm late

runs out of here like you you almost want to run with him because you're like what's happening

like oh there's something coming you don't know if you're going to see him again when's the next time i'm going to see

him am i going to see him again and then i mean jeff just any time

he's like has a has a drink he just you know he gets a little wild just an exaggerated

version of the sober self exactly yeah and vino veritas as what they said

that's cool that means in wine there's truth which is mean like when you're drunk you are your true self

yeah okay and the uh romans came out he's kind of like a puppy dog he can just tell him to do stuff and i'll do it

i think uh drunk jeff is uh spontaneous very spontaneous yeah true

which can be scary but fun i like to i like to live my life where like

you just really have this nice healthy balance of serious and not serious you know what i mean oh yeah so it's

like you still got to do meaningful things like create meaningful things like bring value to the world as you

know do what you can but also like really like not take yourself seriously and just do ridiculous stuff that makes

you laugh i agree wholeheartedly you know oh yeah so yeah i mean you guys definitely saw that

in vivid colors on the last trip we took to call right now i've seen it plenty of times and that's why i enjoy working here couldn't

have had more fun yeah it's a good time yeah that was a good trip we should do another trip we are doing more trips

oh yeah we have two chasing up trips planned next year yeah we do can't wait

we should do more we should go to arizona and ride with nate hills this winter let's do it

yeah i'm actually on arizona this weekend to ride with my goofball friends no i didn't get an invite on that one

sorry dude do you want to go to race no i can't on that that's two

yeah over booked you're overbooked i'm over booked i normally say yes to that every time but

raise would be cool i'm going to raise mtb indoor mountain bike park cleveland ohio on next weekend

the saturday after thanksgiving okay remember what day that is 29th or something 28th um i've wanted to go

there since i was like 14. yeah it's cool so i used to go there i went there every year in the fall when they're on like their

opening day-ish from 2009 to 2014 uh with the malawi brothers and they're

only open for the winter they're only open for the winter i didn't know that yeah isn't that weird i guess the idea is that like you can ride bikes outside

in ohio in the summer so do that but i don't know look it up ray's indoor mtb place is awesome it's like a willy

wonka candy factory for indoor bikes jumpers yeah i've seen a bunch of like youtube videos on it it looks really

cool yeah the place is like there's like a whole cross-country track that like you can go in and like have fun on and

there's like dirt jumps and box jumps and skinny bridges and pump tracks and it's like infinite like never ends yeah

and you just like stumble into like a new warehouse building with like new ramps and you're like whoa it's like a

maze it's crazy that's so cool it's really cool it's probably the coolest thing in cleveland i would never go to that whole

state you know i'm sorry anybody uh any listeners in ohio sorry sorry about that and uh

anytime you want to come out to california we're happy to have you see you in january

all right well before people in ohio get any more mad at us we should close this podcast out thank you and good luck thank you for

listening we love you we love you we appreciate it genuinely and do we have anything else

yes sped i don't think so spread love peace and happiness man he's in love man

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