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Wild Rides, Our Thoughts on AXS, Tire Pressure Puzzling, Listener Questions & More...MTB Podcast 87 [Podcast]
Overview
The boys are back in town with another episode of the MTB Podcast! This time around we discuss Liam's recent races as well as his time at Sea Otter, Jared's preparations for his first and possibly only triathlon, and Jeff's never-ending wacky and wild adventures. As usual, we also cover some seriously top tier listener questions ranging from ideal MTB tire pressures and our thoughts on AXS to whether we should be using grease or jelly for bike maintenance. Lets get into it!
00:00 Intro
01:37 Liam's Recent Races & Sea Otter 2021
13:42 Jared's Tri and Bike Updates + Shop Ride Challenge Results
19:07 Jeff's Continued Out Of Control Travels
25:34 Listener Questions
Worldwide Cyclery YouTube Channel
If you are one strange human that would like to read a transcript of the podcast above, continue reading below!
[Music] ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode
87 of the mtb podcast presented and hosted by worldwide cyclery i am jeff
i'm jared and i'm liam and in this episode we have all sorts of fun things to tell you about a couple
big races that liam recently did and some interesting crazy stolen bike stories from sea otter uh jared's
triathlon training and never ending bike and part changes true how do you feel about that i feel great i can't even
keep up oh it's confusing can you keep up nearly anybody uh i try to keep up
and i see it and then sometimes roll my eyes and let him do it hey man he's just as bad as me
we're also going to do a quick recap on the chasing epic trip that i recently did in north carolina with a couple of
the guys from our pennsylvania store that was pretty awesome and of course the main episode the main content of the
episode listener questions ranging from did you use for it sure
he said it was a chair do you think it was a chair no okay anyways off topic is access worth it that is the electronic
sram drivetrain by the way for those that didn't know uh tire pressure suggestions favorite bikes ever owned
past or present what color is a mirror and if you'd rather have jelly as grease or grease as jelly hardest question of
all right there yeah that's a tough one we'll save that one for the end or maybe maybe the third one we'll see all right
dj meatball play a sound effect [Applause]
[Music]
Liam's Recent Races & Sea Otter 2021
well mr liam let's jump right into your two big races you did uh the bwr belgian
waffle ride and the ces enduro uh talk about them i'm just gonna go ahead
and say that i didn't really race them and they're more like events just to uh put it out there okay yeah is that what
about the ces it was but i wasn't competing for much i was just having a good time it's a good
time in it yeah uh yeah i think i talked a little bit about the belgian waffle last
podcast and i was like had just said yes to it with like a week and a half or two week notice
so i went and did it um it's pretty sick uh i haven't done like
a big event like that i haven't done like a mass group start event like that and like yeah how many people did that i
think there was like probably like six to eight hundred people sixteen hundred people all
starting at the same time they split this one up in a wave so they had like kind of the the start the men uh waffle
the full event went first i was in that one then the women waffle and then the the i think they call it
the wafer which is like the shorter shorter one right the shorter version so i think they did like three or four waves is the way for belgium as well or
is it not um it's probably from like the country below it because it's not as big
so yeah i did that um it was pretty brutal how many miles 129 oh on a gravel bike a
gravel bike how much elevation i believe like six to seven thousand feet of elevation so it actually isn't like
super climbing for how many miles you did and it took you how long i finished in eight hours six minutes
elapsed time which is about like i don't know mid pack or so how many bathroom breaks
i could i like dude i still didn't count that you don't record those on your garments so i was debating like how i should go out blah blah blah like i had
friends that were kind of like in the pro group so i like you know what i just i got excited and i went out too hard
um so a lot of the time i was pretty solo i caught some pretty good groups for a
while then the pro girls caught me i wrote them for like probably 30 miles um they're shredding and then around mile
80 my back really started to like hurt and i'm pretty much soft pedaled from like mile
80 to like mile 100 or so and between mile 80 and 100 was a pretty dark place uh
pretty delusional um i was losing it losing it
uh actually i saw eric bjork one of our customers yeah at one of the aid stations and i saw him and he's like how are you
doing like dude i'm like cross side basically you know i'm gonna keep going so
but he took off before me so i didn't realize that i was at this aid station for the second time
like like you got this aid station then you went out and did a loop and you looped back to the same aid station so
like eight station four and five or three and four whatever it was were the same but you really like 20 miles between the
two so i didn't know that they were the same i was like that delusional and i got if
i finished and then one of our other buddies matt bradley was there and i'm like dude where's eric he left the aid station in front of me he should have
easily beaten me and he goes i don't think so man so eric came in like an hour later i'm like what
happened he's like dude that was my first time there and this was your second time there i was like i don't even know we did it
twice so and then uh out of my 100 i kind of got another wind we had the like kind of
final climb of the day um which was kind of like over hyped is there were talked i thought
i love i mean i'm coming to life on the climb so uh finished strong and it's good i think
if i had better training and didn't blow myself out in the first 20 miles probably could have knocked down like
half an hour easy yeah it's a long time to ride a gravel bike yeah anymore or anybody anybody yeah
that would have been and well bored terrain those is rough and there's rough or sandy yeah like sand pits like you're
flying down a gravel road at like 20 miles an hour and then you hit some of those like bottom where the snow piles
up in the winter and in the summer they're just three inches of sand geez so you're going 20. well right into like
three inches of sand right before the next roller so you go to the roller like zero miles an hour oh and that was
there's like 20 miles of that wow um yeah yeah then i did a
california enduro series outside of california in ashland oregon
yes they're kind of just all up the west coast yeah i think that roughly california doesn't make any sense um but
i don't care if it makes sense because ashland is sick riding and it's my first time there yeah ashland has a good
reputation for mountain biking it was really fun like i actually raced it on my revel ranger uh 130 front 115 back
which is kind of beefed it up a little bit that's not an enduro bike and honestly it's not and honestly i don't
think i would have wanted any more bike for the trails we raced yeah pretty little trails yeah really smooth
stuff um kind of like how demo force in santa cruz wants to be i feel like
it's like how ashland is all over the place smooth and flow it's awesome yeah yeah it's cool i just want to go there
and have a good time and not wad my brains out and uh pushing yeah right as my buddies who you know happen to all be ready racing pro
class so i also raised pro class so um didn't care for a result but i had a really good time so that enduro race was
it single stage multi-stage like how does it work tell me in layman's terms how an enduro race works for those that they're having
five different stages so the way the uh one day all in one day
you practice friday race saturday the way we did it as a pro class
uh you start off the day with the big shuttle to the top of the mountain then you
raced i think basically three stages down the mountain so you really didn't have to like do too much transfers or
pedal at this time it's pretty sick you just like pop in race three stages down the mountain get to the bottom you chip
in you get some food do whatever and then you uh how to do the main big transfer which is
probably like an hour transfer um then you race another stage and then at the
bottom that one then you transfer over to the final stage race that one finish down and you know so did any of
the stages have any climbing in them or are they pretty much all the first stage had i think
two punchy climbs i think it took me about 12 minutes to do this first stage so it's pretty long
like stage to race it's like you know kind of like a um
essentially just single stage enduros yeah which is like what you i mean you'd probably race longer than 12 minutes but
yeah well that was what was funny about super d back in the day it was such a new category of mountain bike racing that there was no real clear definition
to it so some of them were uh some of them were eight minutes and other ones were 30 minutes they were kind of all
over the place and that was even just in the same like norba national series so yeah it was like a an evolved
rudimentary version of what enduro racing is today which i think people like in duel racing because you like what you said you five stages you kind
of ride and race all day and yeah you get more for like more riding and racing for your money yeah i think really like
i've never raced an enduro at all so like to me i was just sick because that was the same thing i'd do with my
buddies on the weekend yeah instead of going down like following each other we just spaced it out by 30 seconds or a minute yeah like
it was pretty fun so um yeah i had a good time doing that it's pretty sweet yeah you're racing
enduro i've never raced on duro only only like sea otter downhill i think it's like the only race ever done which
is not really a downhill race but sea otter have an enduro race they do i do right it's like a cross-country stage race yeah well that terrain just doesn't
really bode well for no it's just kind of some rolling beautiful grassy hills at sea otter train yeah
yeah enduro makes sense why it's getting so popular because it is a fun way to race like it's you know unlike downhill
racing where you just go and you you know practice two days and then have one shot for a three minute run yeah um
indoor racing you have a lot more time to have fun hang out be social you know you get you get a lot more
riding and racing in per stage for yeah like what you pay for what you drove there for essentially so so make sense
yeah that's a good time speaking of sea otter uh most of us didn't go to seattle i didn't
go but you went liam just for a day yeah and uh yeah what happened what was the drama
well aside from how okay quick recap on seattle was it cool i mean was there people compared to last year um
yeah i mean i kind of went with like low expectations i had a couple meetings with a couple brands so i went up um saw
some people that i haven't seen in a long time due to kovid and uh yeah it was you know without some of the big brands there there's still a
lot of brands and a lot of people is pretty popular and i was only there on thursday which is like the least busy day
right like it gets busier through the weekend it was a good turnout so long pretty solid turnout um so yeah i think
it was good it was healthy uh it's just nice to like be somewhere there's no mask mandates so i enjoy just
like hanging out in an event like you haven't done that in like almost two years so that was cool
um yeah and then uh yeah i mean i feel like i've been talking for a while how how long of a
story do you want this to be just tighten it up all right you're sleeping in your van yep yep so
went out to do with the guys from rebel bikes went back to their place i was sleeping in my van outside of their
house with another guy also sleeping in his van right in front of me sleeping on a van uh bikes around the
back while being locked up we had already talked about if they would be safe or not and i was like yeah i'll be sleeping in the van they're probably
good and we're at mona we're like at the beach in monterey like yeah it's a nice area it's a nice area uh ritzy area yeah
i mean yeah i'm sure those beach houses are not cheap so uh yeah next thing i know i feel some
shaking on the van and wake up and someone's pulling my bike off the back and bang on the window
chase him like it takes me a second it's 2 30 in the morning i'm not very firing in all cylinders right away um takes me
a second i jump out the door chased him on foot but he got away woke
up my buddy in the van in front of me jumped in my van and just ripped down the street um and uh yeah i
saw him for a second but like the way this uh street was
there's like an it's like a lot of beach neighborhoods beachfront neighborhoods there's like an alley every like fourth house
so all of a sudden is pretty pitch black too and uh just like kind of saw the guy out in the
distance and he just disappeared probably jammed up an alley head out had a car i don't know that was the last i saw yeah me and
somebody searched for an hour during the night with uh spotlights and
stuff so kind of though to clarify though so it was the bike was on a hitch rack
that was locked up and that was locked up so there's two bikes on the head track too i had bolt cutters yeah i snipped the lock snip the lock and then
just rip the bike off and he knew how to work a bike rack and he knew how to ride a bike so yeah moral
of the story is bike thefts are on the rise because we're in a bike shortage global bike shortage right all pandemic
induced same reason inventory is a total mess um people are stealing bikes like crazy so yeah everyone's listening i'm
sure yeah exactly for everyone listening out there be extra extra careful i mean kind of should have always been but
nowadays um yeah bigger locks put them inside yeah lock them up while they're in your garage because there's stories
of people breaking open garage doors and stealing bikes actually just got it yesterday and i'm gonna
install it when i get home i'm putting a ring camera inside my garage nice
yeah so i don't think it'll never really be used unless me and my roommate are in it but if by chance yeah i got it so
nice i mean i'm a little paranoid now but i've never had a bike stolen a major that's about a major bike stolen like
from my possession so um i made a long time to compare to some of my friends so
hey yeah it happens oh well it's replaceable yeah but it is a bummer so
totally more caution um bikes jared yeah triathlon quick
Jared's Tri and Bike Updates + Shop Ride Challenge Results
update on the triathlon training quick update on the triathlon training well i guess by um the time this airs i'll be like
getting ready or pretty much heading out it's in catalina so uh catalina island catalina island off
the coast of socal do they have a wine mixer
training yeah it's going good um i've been riding a lot riding more than i've been running and
swimming i haven't really slammed at all i just swam like that once or twice he's got
you might want to just i'm going to give her a try once or twice yeah i know how to swim which is good um i'm
going up to lake arrowhead where my family has a place up there so i'm gonna do some swimming up there you know i got
my wetsuit feeling super athletic in that thing ready to just jump in that water and
throw my arms around awesome yeah but that is the part i'm definitely like most you know concerned about i'm just
gonna take my time kind of like liam's strategy for his race i'm not really like trying to you know podium or
anything like that just if i make it through like under two hours i'll be pretty stoked yeah so running i'll do
fine i've been running riding i've been dusting off my road riding stuff and like trying to get comfortable in that
position get back into spandex yeah exactly so um yeah and it's kind of fun honestly
like it's it's nice to like change it up a little bit and do it run do a little road ride and then you get back on the mountain bike you're like oh yeah no
this is like way more fun than those things yeah yeah i just find yourself how long it is you
get you you find a lot of gratitude for mountain biking when you do other things totally mountain biking totally mountain
you're like wow this is like this beautiful combination of fun and adrenaline and exercise and all of these
things right and especially since i you know i'm not gonna lie i got a little burned out from last month's uh universal competition the mileage rate
which i want to update by the way who was a very gracious loser
um and zach is saying how you know we got second place we always throw some shade on zach in the podcast
but he you know he's saying maybe we say something nice about him this time so zach's a great guy just wanna put it out
there even though he gave it his best shot he's been riding his bike a lot you know but i think he could have done better
because you know i think if he just did a couple more rides yeah it was cl it was close right it was
close it was yeah he put up a good fight he pushed me really hard so i was appreciative of that and you know when zach he's a great
motivator i'll i just love him and he'll push you and like if it wasn't for him you wouldn't have beat him if it was
yeah exactly see yeah he's a great motivator i wouldn't have had drive to like ride even more than i thought i could have like he made me realize that
i could ride you know way more than i thought i could so it's awesome grateful well yeah
triathlon training long story short is going great and then uh yeah i think you were going to ask me about
my bike yeah your never-ending bike part bikes and part changes because yeah
i think a lot of people here are totally lost and confused on what bike is your bike what bike was supposed to be your
girlfriend's bike and what bike was your dad's bike that then you rode and then i just like
and then you're like look what i did and i'm like i don't know what this is yeah i remember you had a ranger but
then you had another ranger and now has different suspension i'm just yeah we're all lost so that's fair give us some quick updates on
what's your current arsenal a lot of us are lost and we see it every day that's just lost that's fair
um i've got the same frame and the same components except for the suspension i
just swapped uh to a step cast yeah fox 34 step cast 120 mil
fork and a dps and maybe this is on your rebel range ranger and for those who missed the last
podcast yeah i had a 130 millimeter fox 36 on the front and a float x in the
rear so yeah so it was all burly and then you kind of went through a lighter weight it went lightweight so i probably
dropped like at least a pound off the bike maybe closer to a pound and a half or two pounds
um but why'd you do that why did you just watch what did i do i took the suspension from my girlfriend's bike that i built for her the sb100
they're laughing because yeah she hasn't really written that much it's not about her writing it it's about
the fact that you built it so you could ride it or steal parts from it that's that's what we're laughing at
yeah you know that's yeah exactly that's not your girlfriend's bike yeah
exactly guilty all right well yeah no um i took
the suspension off of that bike i put it on this bike eventually i mean you guys are gonna give me [ __ ]
excuse me pardon my french but i want to get a ranger for her to ride and then like i'll get a bigger bike
eventually yeah okay well like right like around so so without her own choice her bike has had
suspension change various part changes and now she's getting a whole new bike yeah she probably just was totally happy with the existing first one yeah she's
upset with me because i keep on changing things and she doesn't have time to get used to what was on which is valid
don't worry like eventually we'll get to a point where you're like yeah you'll get used to it yeah
and like have a bike that we can both ride and it'll be fun for either one of us yeah
i think you were there like two months ago i was close it was close i was there all right jeff you're uh i
Jeff's Continued Out Of Control Travels
mean i haven't even i think i've seen you twice since the last podcast yeah my travel schedule was as nice as usual a
bit a bit crazy yeah i haven't really been back in california much in the last four weeks um i recently actually just
right after the recording of the last podcast went out to north carolina with chasing epic the mountain bike tour
company this was the second trip that we did with them in 2021 and this time was an
east coast version of it so we went to north carolina asheville to be specific which asheville north carolina is i
think like the mountain biking hub of the east coast now people are saying that wow um a lot of bike industry there
so fox suspensions got there did you do that on purpose what did i do the hub industry nine asheville
didn't even catch it that one is over my head the hub of the east coast and then i mentioned the brand industry nine which happens to
make hubs that's what's so funny yes okay perfect
so a lot of bike industry is in asheville now uh industry nine is there cane creek uh fox suspension is there uh
kitzbo's there who else is in i feel like there's more i'm missing something but those are like kind of the big ones i mean fox main biggest one for sure um
yeah asheville's awesome it's a super cool town and the pisgah forest is you know right by brevard is kind of like
the the main area where a lot of people ride and have all these like famous trails that have got a lot of work done
to them and there's just like some like a great combination of like big elevation stuff um you know crazy rocky
rooty natural terrain and there's some other stuff that's a little more man-made uh dupont is another area
nearby right outside asheville as well that has like some more flowy kind of you know more novice trails that are
really fun to ride and so this trip we rode uh it was kind of cool the way we did it so uh we split it up each day so
four days of riding and each day the whole group essentially got a choice which we talked about at dinner the
night prior and it was like do you want to ride a techy challenging ride or do you want to ride something a little more
flowy and so you get to choose which was nice and it actually worked out about half and half half the group wanted to
go ride the techie stuff and other people wanted to go ride the more flowy stuff so it was a cool mix it was it was a
good mix that way like everyone that went on this trip so there was about i think 15 riders that went on the trip
and everyone kind of got to have something that they enjoyed each day which was really cool and then on sunday we went and rode canooga
which is just outside of asheville uh bike park good friend of mine is the co-owner there nico malali and that's a
pedal up bike park what's the pedal up bike park we have out here sky park yeah i've never been there but
i would imagine it's kind of similar because it's like there's a couple ways you can go up a single track or a fire road and there's like a bunch of cool
man-made trails you can ride down that are super well built and how long are we like the descents typically
i think it took it was like a mile up on the climb and then i think the descents were anywhere from
like three to five minutes maybe depending on which shell you rode they're pretty similar yeah yeah
i like this idea of these like pedal up bike parks initially i was just like why would you do why would you pay money to
go pedal up a hill but now i like rode canooga and i was like oh wow this makes sense like you got you're paying for
maintain trail yeah yeah and like it enter just really or well organized everything right so it's like they have demo bikes there they've nice parking
lot you know the whole like infrastructure is well done and like there's different ways you can ride up which are well made and fun and casual
and then there's like all these different trails you can go down that are just super super well built um nicole is a world cup downhill racer and
so he kind of takes care of a lot of the trail building there and um yeah it was really fun so that was like kind of the
highlight of the i just to me there's a highlight of that chasing epic trip was just riding the bike park today
i really enjoyed uh luckily uh you know no one no one got hurt uh there was definitely some hard crashes really
there was some hard tumbles well because you mix in jumps right you go to a bike park yeah with a bunch of people
everyone's having fun it's sunday we've already been already been riding for two days so yeah it was it was good fun but
yeah it was cool it was a really good trip i enjoyed that thank you chasing epic for helping us out with that those collaboration trips are cool we've got
another two of those scheduled for next year uh i think we're doing idaho and durango
you're right yeah what's the idaho one called again valley sun valley yeah yeah steve said that
one's durango yeah those are not good but yeah they're on the calendar right now nice oh yeah stay tuned for that
that should be fun yeah the north carolina trip um instead of bringing in jared and liam with myself like uh we
did in uh where did we go trusted views yeah this time i brought matt mccluskey
and mr david zapata which both of those guys work in our pennsylvania location um and they loved it which was cool too
because those guys are familiar with writing muddy rudy rocky stuff which is there's plenty of that in in asheville
area um luckily the weather was amazing which that was my biggest opposition to that trip i was like yeah i don't really
want to go ride in the mud you know and and stephen chasing epics like well it might not rain i'm like oh
no it's probably going to rain like look at look at the weather history uh but no the weather was perfect so we got really lucky so it was a good trip nice all
those trips go really well they're super fun those just it's just nice to have good professional local guides take you
to all the great spots every time you go on a trip so there's nothing like it yeah yeah there really is the like homework or like you stop at every trail
intersection and look at your map and like see if you're going the right way you just follow the guy who knows all the best lines yeah the best way to do
it yeah it was one of those things to me you know i would probably originally look at that you know five ten years ago and be like why
would i do that i could just like kind of figure this out on my own and then once you do it once you realize like this is awesome it's like a local guide
not only knows all of the local trails you don't have to worry about anything never have to look at your phone or your garmin to figure out where you're going
but then they know like all the local restaurants and all the local like hey let's go swim in this river right out like it's just awesome like that's a
really cool experience that in my opinion is is worth the money so that was that was a ton of fun yeah well
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Listener Questions
tire pressure i found envy has at least the best starting point
this is always a debate on how long you can go especially when you go how low you can go how low you can go especially
when you get to insert tubeless tubular tubular dude um what does it mean by
envy has it so at least has a chart i know for sure they have one for gravel that's pretty useful so
it's got like rim width a couple different options tire width a lot of options and then it
goes down by your weight so you can kind of just follow the chart find your zone um yeah it's pretty
accurate like it's definitely for like a i mean at least the one i've looked at it's like for pure gravel riding you
know like you're spending most the day in the dirt do they have the same thing with mountain bikes i'm not sure let's google because yeah i mean i think i mean
people ask this question all the time and and my take on tire pressure uh of course like if you're a novice and you
have no idea where to start you have no idea where to start and then it's helpful to know i have a good one um what
so back in the day when stanz was you know one of the only names in tubeless yeah they had this thing where like you
took your body weight divided it by seven and then you minus one for the front and
added two for the rear sorry tell me that one more this is ridiculous this is college algebra dude did you say
divided by seven your body weight divided by seven okay i'm going to bring up a calculator real quick let's see if
this is accurate this is harvard level calculus oh come on now
that's kind of an insult as well all right well hold on before before
this crazy formula uh you need you need to know some level some relevant starting point but
i think what really matters you know body weight's a huge variable tire size is a big variable
um but really like where you're riding right like that's another big variable if you're in like good smooth trails
with no rocks and you're never denting your rims like that's a totally different scenario than if you're just riding like
blitzed fast rough sharp rocky trails all the time so that makes a huge difference yeah it does but i'll say
what you just said is pretty much bang on for what i run what'd you do 185
pounds which is like roughly what i'm at right now um divided by seven brings me to 26 and
a half basically and he said what minus one for the front which i'd normally run about 25 in the
front and then add two for the back and i normally run like 28 in the back so it's why are you telling anyone this later
earlier i should have gone to harvard did you make this up dude no stands did dude i cannot take credit for this
you looked at my weight yeah yeah i mean that's pretty good okay liam how much do you weigh uh buck 50
maybe 145. um i'm gonna say right now while he's doing
that math uh the envy mountain bike charts a touch low on my opinion so that means that stands according to stands
you should be running 20 psi in the front 22 that's way too long excuse me 23 in the
rear if i was running that's too low yeah if i was running like straight xc and i wasn't like doing jumps i could probably get away with that for sure
yeah but i run 23 to 24 in the front 25 26 in the back and that's that's kind of pushing it low
i definitely hit rim but it's a good balance between traction and not rolling the tire off yeah i
definitely like running lower i mean if i could be between 20 and 25 like that's my like the bike ride's so good in that
but i'm just afraid to fly jeff does 24 28. you do 24 20 yeah or 24 27 but i like the rear tire
pretty firm because i really don't want to have that much traction and i also don't want to have to worry about that tire like i just don't want to worry
about that rim and it dinging and like i just don't really think i need that much traction there and i don't typically ever have an issue with 28 psi
when it comes to like climbing traction so yeah i'm good with that do you think that there is
anything um like for instance if i wanted to run like 22
in the front 28 in the rear is it like that big of a difference
the biggest thing is like if you're actually like pushing hard into a corner like a dual salon racer like push into a
corner yeah you're just gonna roll that tire over if the pressure's too low so like on on a high speed like sweeper
corner you're going to love the pressure that low right but on like a sharper like banked corner where you're pushing
into it that thing is going to roll if i could so tire off my front wheel i would be really stoked well just put 18 psi in
there and i bet you you will
that's the problem with going low is like if your tires could essentially never go flat you really wouldn't just want to go lower and lower and lower and
lower because eventually the bike becomes like wandering and squanders and like the tires roll and so so there's a
limit to like how low you can go even if the tires could never go flat and that depends on your weight how hard you're
pushing the thing into corners um all that's right yeah like xc guys i mean they are light
but they run like 16 18 psi right i don't know how they do that and don't roll the tire off the rim it's because
they're probably not like they're not pushing it they're not they're not super aggressively in terms of like their bike
handling right exactly depends on what level of xc world cup next see they're like shredding they're not like
you know or like yeah you know what i mean i mean they're probably trying to i mean yeah it depends on where you're at like skill
level wise right like if you went to a local race and watch like a cat 2 xc race like correct yeah people are not
going they're not trapping the rear tires but like if you watch the olympics and watch world cup
xc racers like yeah they kind of are like slamming into ruts fast you know
so but yeah so i don't know i mean tire pressure is kind of complicated but i don't know i think that stan's method is
pretty good yeah it's pretty good i was i was good at at least a great starting yeah i always have people start there like i think it's a pretty good place to
start if you're denting rims or blowing out stuff you go up or just digging it at
all right like if you're dinging it or you're feeling it roll under you then add psi and vice versa if you never dang
and you never feel it wander like keep lowering it until you do and find that balance if you ever end a ride and you
have a bunch of x's on your maxis tire on the sidewall it pretty much means you're rolling the
tire in corners and you have either too low psi or like just on the limit yep
oh that's a good indicator too nice cool well stan's calculation one more time
body weight divided by seven minus one psi for the front add two psi
for the rear boom i am pretty good out there's your starting point it's a calculation
next question do you think super enduro bikes are too big and companies should go enduro or downhill
it's kind of a funny question i mean i think historically downhill bikes and really still are eight inches of travel
right dual crown forks full blown big long low slack long travel crazy beasts
of mountain bikes that are super fun to ride albeit they essentially can't go uphill at all um
super enduro bikes are like seven inches of travel six or seventy one eighties yeah they're
like seven inches of travel um but they can actually pedal and they're fairly light and the geo's not quite as
aggressive as a full blown downhill bike well some are yeah some are just pushing it but they're still like a lot more
pedable than the downhill bike the designer pedal yeah so i don't know i mean i think there is there is some like
line there between like a seven inch travel bike that you can use for enduro
and then a full-blown downhill bike um i mean full-blown downhill bikes are just totally different right like the bottom
brackets are so low for handling reasons and there's no consideration of really like being able to pedal it on a climb
because that's not what the bike's for whereas like this quote unquote super enduro like seven inch travel bike there
is a consideration if you can actually pedal that thing on a technical uphill climb and not have the pedal slam into the ground constantly so i don't know
they're still different bikes so yeah i don't know i still seem as different yeah they're definitely different mics i
will say though that supernova bikes are almost taking the spots of 7 downhill
bikes uh second and third place at red bull rampage last week was on a basically
super nero bike yeah it was on an evil insurgent was second place with kurt sorgy and
yeti sp165 with reed boggs yeah but dual crowns yeah cool yeah i mean right you can ride the
gnarliest stuff so yeah i mean what i was going to say is like honestly a super dough break is like the
perfect case for a place like whistler where i mean if you want to go ride the park you know all day you could do that and then if you want to go like pedal
and do trails you could do that too i mean for you know this is really just about like where you're where you live
and what trails you ride but like there is going to be a bike for nearly everywhere you know when you think about
it yeah it just depends on where you live and where you ride yep yeah and your preferences yeah and what you want to do yeah yeah
all right yeah well what's much more importantly the next question is would you rather
have jelly as grease or grease as jelly oh gross
you first i mean i obviously don't want to eat grease so i would i would rather have
grease as jelly right not jelly is grease or did i get that backwards
i'd rather put like jelly on my bottom bracket than put grease on my toast yeah absolutely i'm a big fan of jelly yeah
put a jelly sandwiches yeah that just want to fly jelly's good i'm gonna have to agree because like even if i have to
service my bottom bracket and like re-grease re-jelly it every couple days re-jelly my headset
and then i mean the best part about this is you could just keep some jelly with you all the time and then you have a snack yeah i have i have something to
admit you've done it no no i just wanted to tell you a story about eating uh grease
and stuff oh god what are you gonna say well i have two two things um we don't need to go that in depth on
this topic well i actually don't think jelly would be that bad as a grease some real thick stuff oh yeah i think
you're right pretty solid grape um my admission is when i was a teenager
and i worked at a local bike shop um another guy who worked alongside me was the owner's son we were the same age
she was a good guy and another person who worked there was his younger brother
who was six years younger so at the time he was probably on 11 or 12 13 something like
that we we used to find funny ways to get him to eat
stuff like grease or wd-40 or or for spokes like anything
spokes i feel let me explain uh we put a we put half of a spoke in a subway
sandwich once oh no you did it yeah we did i'm dude those things you do when you're a 17
year old you look back and you're like what was i thinking i was a total jerk i mean it probably hurt i don't think he
broke his head but it probably hurt he did bite into it but we even even at one point
we took a starburst and we took a little like a pick and we poked a hole into this starburst and then we put the wd-40
little red tube inside of that and then sprayed a little wd-40 in there and then like put the starburst back in the bag
and he like ate that he's like oh i was in this we'd watch this i mean it was so it was so funny but and oh of course
like we put park poly lube grease on his food all the time and like without him
before he looked i mean it was it's one of those things that it was hilarious back then but you look back
and you're like wow when i was a 17 year old kid i was just totally heartless like why would i you know how you like i
mean what did he was younger exactly yeah exactly right it was his younger brother you mess with your younger
brother and i was an accomplice to that crimes and yeah it was it was pretty funny okay so you're an accomplice he never died he's he's alive and well uh
yeah he's he's doing great so not yet yeah so he's no he's he's all good he's all
good everything's f everything's fine with him uh but anyways he did eat and quite a bit of grease that is disgusting okay
is the kettle bib back in stock it finally is yeah so for all of you that know uh the
apparel brand we own kettle mountain we make a really nice bib called the canyon bib a super nice italian made chamois in
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looking for that right yeah while it's hot hurry up because i'm about to buy them all yeah they're probably going to sell out
by i already got december every kind of re-up on my bibs you know yeah never hurts you can only deal with
so many stains that's why people buy new bibs yeah
all right i've been doing it wrong oh no is access worth it
i'm going to start this one off well okay context just in case access sram access axs their electronic mountain
bike drivetrain which they make in x01 xx1 and dx
right so just just get people to know all right is it worth it go ahead jared i'm gonna say 100
yes what's your reasoning um my reasoning is that
one of my least favorite things to do is adjust shifting and
since i've put the axis on my ranger i haven't had to adjust it once over the course of several hundred miles
and it shifts perfectly every time assuming my you know drive train is like relatively clean and chain is lubed
um which would be for any you know any shifter and trailer right
but yeah that is my main reasoning is that it shifts perfectly every time and almost instantaneously and
i don't have to adjust it all i have to do is charge the battery and i can hold the button down and it'll
shift for me continuously that is cool that's a cool feature flying downhill and i come to a
super punchy steep hill and i can hold it down and it goes into my easiest gear like that's the coolest thing ever
drop the mic okay yeah have you got anything out of that
[Music] [Laughter] i agree with everything jared just said
awesome uh exactly all those reasons another reason i mean it takes a cable off your bike
and it looks sick third reason or the last reason i have that's
important-ish is when you travel with the bike you can just take the whole derailleur off your bike that's right wrap it in a whole
bunch of convenient and put it in the middle of the bike and that's it and then i was the batteries
are so small i always have an extra one like around me or in my van or like in my gear bag like i've got like four
extra batteries that just float around that's true
all right well i mean here's devil's advocate what do you got yeah i mean i i believe it i a lot of people absolutely
love access and have bought it and enjoyed it i personally uh don't always run it on my daily driver bikes
because maybe i'm just old school at this point but i just love that like raw clicky shifter cable
your thumb connected directly to that derailleur via a nice rigid shifter cable like i just like that feel it's
like more tactile to me um i also also like riding bikes
and to get away from electronics a little bit i know exactly why you don't have it it's because you have an 11
speed on your bike that's that's a problem too yeah technically he has 12 speed yeah
ranger i have 12 speed you've got 11. annie is a personal mechanic so he never has to actually adjust it like
that's true you know yeah my opinion is a bit skewed because one i
i i like is always dialed you know i always have a doll bike because i ping around between three mountain bike shops
uh and i can have a mechanic there to work on it at any time i want so that's a little bit of a ridiculous perk
to my to my position here at woodward cycle unattainable for many that perk right there if you own three
bike shops it's kind of you know convenient because you have a mechanic that works on your bike all the time that are really good yeah so yeah okay
the whole shifting yeah you're right yeah come to think of this i don't have anything else to say
i do get the aspect of like not having batteries not adding complication to your bike
you're like literally on your phone and computer 16 hours a day yeah i use the electronics a lot just for working so i
kind of want to like exactly i get it i want to tune out of that i want my bike to have this it's almost like you know
just just an example um my mom has a 2001 mazda miata it's a nardi edition
has a supercharger and it's like it's cool it's a really cool little car and my mom loves it and
it's good manual yeah it's of course yeah perfect it's and when you drive that thing it's like manual transmission
and you can tell immediately when you drive that car that the gas pedal is connected with a wire yeah and it's just
new cars aren't like that at all right and so like you drive that thing and it just feels like this like fast like i
don't know there's something i should say the gas pedal is connected by a cable because the new ones are connected by a wire oh yeah sorry sorry i knew it
connected by a cable yeah yeah um not electronically right and and so i like
that that's a cool feel and to me that's like how like feels wrong it feels raw like how a shifter feels when it's
connected with a derailleur cable as opposed to this electronic feel so i don't know maybe it's a tactile thing
but yeah you're right this concept of like all the things you mentioned especially the fact that you can just hold the button down and it just shows
kind of limitless gears that's yeah that is cool i will say people love it i don't think i've met anyone who
like went back away from it like they get it they get used to it and they love it yeah i will say the
only thing for me it took me a while to make the jump because i felt like if you make the jump on one bike you gotta make
the jump on all bikes yeah because it's such a difference of like just just minute but like
when you like when you go to shift when you're pedaling on that hill or like this and that and like the way the paddles feel like it's all a little bit
different so if you're jumping back and forth to me that was too much and i just like i just want to forget when i'm riding
like i don't care if it's got electronics i don't care that i just want to be sitting there thinking about okay
this button here yeah yeah that makes sense yeah yeah it's kind of like running like if you have three or
four different bikes you want them to all have the same width handlebars and like your brake levers position the same across all of them like that's just
really convenient so totally the setup reference is key
if you have four bikes and you go to access you have to change them all access because you know that's just how you get about the same feel across
there's no way i could possibly still go to mechanical on my extra
more importantly next question pop-tarts or protein bar what do you got jared both
how about a pop-tart protein bar it's a brilliant idea all right don't sell that jared just left
worldwide you'll work for kellogg or whatever yeah yeah this is product innovation over there kellogg's jared has left the chat um
uh i'm gonna go with kind of neither it's like for a ride yeah yeah
that wasn't specifically specified yeah okay i'll go prop tart pop tarts are pretty good though but only like two
flavors three flavors but only if you can toast them if you can't toast them yeah
here but um oh oh that's cinnamon pop tart like the brown sugar s'mores cinnamon
that one is good i don't know i'm more of a pretty you know oh you like that like i like blueberries yeah
but that's like my pie flavor i just don't i'm so over protein bars man i just oh yeah i don't like eating
them i know anchovies knit hills no no excuse me sardines sardines yeah he came out here
and you were asking about trail snacks and i said sardines oh i am a big peanut butter jelly guy that sounds good
everywhere my favorite thing maybe not everywhere but even j oh well unless i ate them all
jeff what's your favorite chain lube my favorite for socal he's just gonna bounce off jeff
yeah i'm gonna go ahead and do what i do at work most time and delegate this question [Laughter]
uh yeah i mean i haven't uh i don't remember dude like it's been a
long time since i like really was like nerding out on chain lubes and stuff essentially for me for socal and and
really even anywhere i like a dry ish chain lube like a clean chain lube
like i do not like gummy gooey drive trains at all yeah i get it when you go out and ride the
east coast especially when you're doing more than 10 miles like i feel like if you use a chain lube that would last 30 miles
out west in the dust it's going to last you seven miles when you're riding in pennsylvania and there's mud and water
so like i get why you need a different lube if you're riding in more mud and water but i just i don't know so i try
and always avoid these like more wet-based gummy lubes unless i absolutely need them um yeah so in socal
i want something that's like certainly dry and is not going to be gummy and sticky and probably wear off in 10 miles
but that's fine because i typically do 10 to 15 mile rides and then like it's a little quick service and chain loop goes
on there so so most dry loops most dry lubes i don't have like a huge complainer reference between any dry
loop for that sort of stuff but but once again um yeah i haven't really i'm not i'm not just deep into these weeds as
yeah i've recently just got real deep into the swedes i even have like a spreadsheet going it's ridiculous i made my roommate record her stuff because she
was she actually is the one who got me started on it because she was just complaining to me all the time liam my drive chain my loop sucks
it doesn't work it's dry all the time you got me a bad bottle uh-oh
like all over and didn't shake it so then i came home with six lubes yeah and i said this is what we're doing we're
gonna try them all clean your chain strip your chain try this one or three times write it down do this one three
times write it down do this one three times right down so i got real in the weeds pretty much came to
i think maxima dry lube is probably the best all-around lube for yeah easiest application for like the
average rider you're not like super uptight about keeping your drivetrain super clean maybe you forget to lube
here or like you forget and you lube it right before you go ride i think that's like probably the best just all around
average lube it works great lasts a decent time the next one that i'm most stoked on is
going to liquid wax base lube and fancy but is squirt which is kind of
like one of the first names in that liquid wax based lube and that one you got to be a little bit more
uh liberal pre-meditative you got plan a little bit more yeah with that one
um so like strip your chain down even for like belgian waffle ride didn't the gravel bike stripped it down
uh yeah did you lube your chain well over 120 hours of riding yeah so funny actually i
i did two coats of lube on it they said do two coats for a longer ride so i did two coats you let it do it let it dry
for like 10 minutes do another coat let it dry the night before your event so i did that and then i did bring a little squirt top
off one um but i was probably like mile 65 and it felt pretty good and then a
pro girl came up to me and asked me if i had any chain lube i said yeah i do so i gave it to her and she got about
maybe halfway through living a chain and dropped it we were doing like 20 miles an hour so that was a little bit while i was writing yeah
you don't stop when you do that stuff whoa so i was like i was like pushing her along and she's like trying to lube it no way and dropped it but i didn't
need it dropped right now she jumps
while ghosting along i didn't stop no i was just in this pack you don't really
stop um we don't know enough about this road bike kind of thing so sorry
the squirt the squirt uh two pass lasted like 130 miles and i use it on mountain bike and i dig it too you
just have to it doesn't work well if you like just put it on and then go ride you have to let it you've got at least give
it like 15 20 minutes to dry so okay my suggestion to my roommate was
come back from your ride immediately wipe down your chain immediately put squirt on it go for it go on with your day and go
change and it's always good for you next time you come to your bike okay okay good point um well to talk about some
other things just to bring it up real quick muck off dry lube is currently the best selling chain lube on the worldwide
website but what i was going to say is that's my favorite then it's wpa oh sorry that's a fork
boost seal lubricant that stuff is cool for sure this stuff is flying off what's our double what's our second
best-selling chain let me see okay wait so you let you use the muck off dry lube yeah i use the milk off trial uben it
works really good i actually tried that and then i tried the ceramic one which i guess is a little
more towards ceramic c3 is the second best selling yeah that one i like but it
it gums up the drive train a little bit yeah it's also made by mukhoff yeah yeah three ceramic is also really good but
maybe not more more of a wet lube but i want to say rock and roll gold rock and roll
so good it's great and clean but i found it just doesn't last that long right yeah maybe even if you're on a long ride
sounds like something i would like you'll uh your channel will be screaming at ya yep um but yeah i like the
i like the mug off stuff but this other part to this question is wd-40 a viable chain lube well that's kind of confusing
because it's confusing like og og wd40 from home depot or like wd-40's new bike
line bike line of lubes i think this particular difference is traditional okay answer both traditional old-school
wd-40 and an aerosol can absolutely not that's not meant to be chain lube it's not actually lubricant at all yeah it's
just a water displacement that like removes grease and it's like a degreaser it's totally yeah different no never put
that on your bicycle never put really anything it comes in an aerosol can on your chain uh but wd-40 is bike line yeah we don't
have a ton of experience with that but that's a totally different thing that's like made specifically for bikes by people who ride mountain bikes
good i found the dry stuff like i used it years ago it was like a little bit gunky but
not bad just a little bit gunkier than i liked it i like a super clean bike i've done a noisy clean chain and a quiet
dirty chain yeah now i agree with that too yeah yeah and just a tip uh if you hit any
category on the worldwide security website it's the default sort order is best selling
and especially a popular category like chain lubes or tools or whatever there's a lot of data behind that so
curious what actually is selling really well and typically things sell really well on our site because a lot of
mountain bikers are buying them and they work good and they continue to buy them yeah so any category you look at if you
want to actually see good relevant products that are selling the best it's that's the default sort order on the
website for a reason so if you go there right now you can pretty quickly see which chain lubes are best selling and
those are a lot of the ones we just mentioned so yeah that's cool stuff all right we're giving away a lot of really good
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wow this is a hard question what are your all-time favorite bikes you've ever owned past or present
really hard question do you want me to start you're looking at me like you want me to start yeah i mean anymore
can i okay well this is bike's plural so i'm gonna do that um i'm gonna start in order of travel
from shortest to the longest you guys ready for a year i'm trying to go home at some point
okay uh closest to cross country i'm going to say sp 100 and then uh down country i'm
going to say my rebel ranger currently and then i'm going to say uh my lunch ride yeti sp 130 i had last
year maybe almost two years ago now um to be fair i haven't ridden a rascal so
it's probably up there i have not actually yeah i know it's crazy it's shocking
and then um from there i'm gonna go sp 150 my yeti
s150 that i just sold actually and then
oh yeah oh you're getting tired of me oh i'm just i'm totally lost already like this this is keeping track of this
answer is like keeping track i just took this question as like what one you have okay yeah that's right you're one okay sorry you're one i
didn't have everybody you're right it does say bikes plural it says bikes have owned past presents or it doesn't say
bikes but yeah and then i'm going to throw in my old
santa cruz nomad for uh full-time sake because that deserves nostalgic how many bikes can you ride at
once one good job you ride
there you go that's my answer oh cool that didn't really help anything at all but jeffy jeff
hopefully that's the question i answered what are you doing you just named all these good bikes you've recently had but
your answer does make more sense if people saw the spreadsheet of other bikes you'd also owned
like within the last five years you know what i mean that is like all the bikes i've owned in the last five years
okay what i had mondraker all right all right yeah yeah now this is what would land us here all night all right so
thank you those are your favorite bikes yeah those are them thank you very much yeah get out of here yeah what are your favorite bikes mr i get
[Laughter] my favorite bike pastor present yeah
you're right this question is ridiculous yeah now that you come on okay i'll tell you i'll give you two answers
i already know the answer the first thing that popped into my head was the uno dash yeah that's okay yeah knew that
uno extremely high extreme like the most expensive mountain bikes on the planet
boutique handmade in barcelona um the creme de la creme the creme de la creme of mountain bikes
i like to say way away um but it's spanish so not a french brand yeah not a french brand to be clear
uh i i love that bike the look of it the fact that they only make 50 of them a year um everything about that i had a
custom painted one no one else had that like i'd never even seen one in person until we got that one and became dealers
for uno um i love that thing you know uno is like in between year count years right now and they're
gonna be launching a bunch of new stuff next year so stay tuned for that if you're really curious on that brand but i don't know that's the first one that's
like come to my mind because that was like that bike to me was the one i looked at and i was like this is an epic
bike it was like yours yeah it's like nobody has this it's custom painted it was it was you know it was like one
of 50 it was just so i really really liked everything about that bike and how it looked and like how rare it was and i
just enjoyed that and obviously the suspension platform were good geo was good i really liked all those it was special it was special exactly um it was
so that's that's like the first thing that pops into my mind um the second thing that pops into my mind
when you say that is like oh i don't have like all these really cool good bikes that like the rebel ranger that i
ride right now that i'm in love with that bike i think that ride's super good uh the old yeti
4.5 i really enjoyed that bike that was like this like yeah with the turquoise fork that one that i built looked really
good and that bike was just like a perfect balance of like lightweight pedal efficiency but still
capable it was really cool yeah i really enjoyed that yeti yeah yeah um
yeah so i don't know i mean though i guess those are the other things that pop into but like big bike like big bike like downhill or enduro
bike like what's your favorite ever oh i had a um da vinci wilson like the fairly
recent one yeah the carbon one that was like a full blown aid and travel downhill bike that i really enjoyed i had like a different davinci wilson i
got like a new one every year for like four years in a row nice i love that thing so yeah but i'm not going to whistler
every summer so i don't build a downhill bike anymore but maybe one day bring that back next year well i mean
hopefully yeah that'd be sweet one one day when the world's slightly more normal and we can just freely travel to canada to ride
mountain bikes easily right that'd be cool all right liam what do you got uh i'm gonna keep it pretty simple
it was up until probably a few months ago the yeti sp 4.5
i think yeti was super ahead of the time on that one it's basically down country before anyone made up down country
mm-hmm it was a 140 fork with 114 mil of rear
travel 29 inch wheels pretty slack and low for like when it first came out in like what 2015
yeah yeah they were they kind of pioneered that signal to some extent that like aggressive lightweight trail
bike i guess you could call it yeah yeah that and it was it was lightweight and it pedaled really well i'd say the other one it's not my favorite bike but just
mention it in the first evil following really like oh yeah that was close i was 29 short travel ahead of his time but
that wasn't my favorite bike now i think it's changing and i think my current revel ranger the way i have it
built up is my favorite i have a little over forked with a 130 pike um wide wheels good brakes and that to
me it kind of just does what the yeti 45 did to me 134 115 rear and like good geo
um just on a bike that fits a water bottle and is new and modern more than just one water bottle too yeah too
true and it's versatile like you can you can you know make it a lightweight you know cross-country bike or you can make
it you know burly like beefy down country bike which i guess you could kind of do the four or five but like even more so with the rangers yeah yeah
yeah that's my answer it's nice and simple i like it cool well the next question is not quite as challenging or
maybe it is more challenging if you could be any maxis tire what would it be and why easy
what that's a guy and why because greg manner made it okay
fair enough yeah that's my top answer hmm jeff i'm torn between the dhf just
because it's like the iconic all-time winningest tire maxis has and was it's
been around for a long time originally designed by connie bailey years 20 years originally designed by colin bailey
which was an amazing us world cup downhill racer 20 years ago or something like that um and uh yeah that's just a
famous tire and it's still to this day has a phenomenal tread pattern that is rivaling the best grippiest tires on the
planet and every brand in the world has tried to copy it but i'm also torn between the dissector because i just
like the dissector it's fast it's grippy it's lightweight it's
i don't know i think you more so resemble the dhf you know iconic legendary
tried and true uh to me those things just say jeff caleb i thought that's where he's going with that
really greasing me up jared you're really greasing me up thanks yes i do he wants that raise
[Laughter] um what do you got
i mean am i picking my favorite mattress tired right now that's not the question it says if you could be anyone it doesn't mean it's
your favorite just like do you want to be fast do you want to be grippy do you want to be an ardent race
why do you laugh that's a great time i don't know if anyone hasn't i almost went downhill with that thing on the
back party race do you want to be uh trying to remember someone like they're like you know plus bike tires but i
can't even think about the chronicle i'll be the chronic
or the colossus isn't that one um i'm gonna go
minion dhr2 because it's a great all-arounder knob height is great
it looks mean yeah you know yeah it's got volts it looks like it's got purpose
it gets the job done whenever you need it to that's like me yeah it's like there you go perfect
put them in coach yeah originally designed as a rear tire but
realized it works perfectly good in the front and greg menard won a world cup in south africa running it in the front
actually i would probably go to argue that the last two years dhrs have won more world cups than dhfs wow
well i mean you were you can argue that or just figure out the data because it probably exists somewhere so i'm going to answer that i'm quite factual on that
you mean like as a front tire well you can't be quite factual you can either be certain with a relevant set of data in a solid source or you can just i look i
look at all world cup bikes in all world cup winning bikes and mental noted dhrs are more winning than dhf's you're
theorizing with your mental notes that the d yeah i mean i don't disagree but i'm just saying i'm confident i'm confident look it up
even even even writers that are not specialized somebody look it up even even writers that are not sponsored by maxis
choose to run dhr's front mirror with spray paint and axis if somebody looks this up and emails us
extensive research on this topic we will give you don't even go there
just one just not that many people are going to do this there's one person who wants it to us first first person first person to get it do they get a minion
dhr yeah they get a two free max of stars a set of tires in your size yep you
perfect and get this data 2s first yep and if not then and that's emailed jared worldwide
[Laughter] podcast worldwide cyclery.com oh if it
goes to jared you'll be disqualified podcast at world what's in my email okay next question wait
quickly and concisely damn it uh liam you can probably hit this question the fastest without going into too much detail difference between fox rhythm
performance performance elite and factory um i mean high level obviously those are
like different price points and they include different features but like how can you quickly and concisely just like what the heck's the difference fox
rhythm is mostly oe i don't know a whole lot about it but it's oe means it's not really sold after market it comes stock
on complete bikes purchased lower level complete bikes now a whole lot of adjustment still works pretty
good some trickle down tech then you have the performance line which is the least expensive the yeah the
least expensive aftermarket option also very popular for stock bikes uh
mostly come with a grip damper um which basically is open some
adjustment to closed and one rebound adjustment then you have performance elite so i'm
actually gonna jump over performance delete real quick and go to factory because factory is like
the nicest level of fox it's the highest level it's what the pros race it also has the kashima coating that's the main
thing the kashima coating and the nice internals usually has more adjustment as well like
either a grip two or a fit four damper two fit four high speed low speed compression high speed low speed rebound
on a grip two then you go to performance elite which kind of combines performance and factory in which you get the
performance exterior look no kashima coating but you get the internals of the
factory it's kind of a great bang for your buck it's a little harder to find but
if you can it's a great great option to save you you know 100 bucks or under 50 bucks and it performs is you know the
same as factory basically yeah so it's like if you want the premium level fox suspension but
slightly less expensive and also to not be kashima yeah or maybe some people don't like the kashima color yeah a lot
of people do it is cool but some people want like a black theme going you know yeah performance elite is legit
mm-hmm yep cool well i think i couldn't put it any better myself yeah yeah there you go dialed
dialed right good web series it is it's really good
which do you do which do you dudes prefer that's really hard to say which do you do dudes prefer for cars slash
subaru crosstrek roof mounted or receiver hitch pros and cons um
that okay so that we actually made an entire youtube video on that which i thought was pretty well done it was it was called like top five ways to
transport your bike or top ways to transport your bike like that actually i think we used to subaru crosstrek for a lot of the options i
even used to have a super showed some roof racks we showed some uh trailer hitch racks some tailgate pads
truck trunk racks like the ones that with the straps and stuff yep yeah so we kind of went over all those in the video
pros and cons and so i would just recommend watching that youtube video super easy i'm going to answer it yeah
really quick because i have this car across track yes and i'm going to go with the receiver hitch because
the number one main benefit is because you can get into parking garages and you will not rip the bikes off the top of your car and you can go through the taco
bell drive-through without having to smash into any drive-through anywhere specifically
yeah the only bummer is that you can't like get into your trunk but most racks will tilt so you can get in there but um
what about the swingy thing doesn't really yeah the swingy thing kind of expensive or the swing away i got it on my van
but yeah uh definitely a receiver hitch because the bikes on the roof are loud and they
will reduce your fuel efficiency yeah yeah that's true yeah and then they get covered in bugs
on there yeah yeah yeah i would just definitely roof mounted rack is in my opinion like one of the least like that's like the
last case scenario yeah also pro tip the receiver hitch you can get online like super cheap and it's
really easy to install yourself so for the super duper weld it no it's bolts that just bolts
into the frame like in the subframe in the rear and so my old van yes i installed it in the back of the shop and
maybe 45 minutes exactly yeah so go the receiver hitch route and you will thank
yourself cool all right next question what color is a mirror this is hard
like can i can i i'm clean what this is my question oh oh
you put that in there i don't know i wanted to answer and if we didn't answer i want a listener to answer because
they're probably smarter than us i'll go first all right all of them all the colors oh yeah
all of them yeah i think he's right because
if you refract light off of it it will show all of them
prove me wrong someone proved him wrong i want him to be wrong i can't prove him
wrong i don't know it's either all of them or none of them that's why i asked him here's a crazy thing to think about i'd say it's a reflection of all colors
therefore it's not in color if you're standing in one position and i'm saying another position we're
looking at the same mirror we're seeing two totally different things yeah right
tv can't do that we're both doing that at a tv we're seeing the same tv screen but i'm here showing two completely
different things what's your point different perspectives different things yeah but this is factual perspective i
mean i'm just getting philosophical on you man well i mean definitely bikes were better at bikes
2020 intense primer fell about 12 inches similar to joe's gravel bike and now the
paint is effed he has continued to ride it since what do you suggest okay so context there
when he says similar jeff's gravel bike my gravel bike was at the beach and i'd like propped it up on a rock uh with the
pedal and a gust of wind blew it over and the top tube when it blew over it
slammed on another rock that was sitting in the sand and there's a basically it was essentially the same thing as if you
took a hammer and just whacked the top of your carbon top tube the bike is broken yeah the top of the top broken but you've been riding it i
have like a thousand miles on that bike since that happened so does he i didn't i didn't write that down and
summarize this question it's really difficult okay yeah yeah i mean the top tube of all tubes on a bike pro probably
has the least amount of pressure i mean we're not engineered so we can't confirm that one yeah but maybe not the least
but maybe not you know save the content from the head tube yeah it's probably lowers the load zone
right yeah yeah okay so i don't know i mean disclaimer if you have any broken
anything on your frame stop writing it um but in his case in your case or even in
my case when you just don't want to buy a new bike it costs a lot of money well i think he was kind of asking is it
actually cracked and how do you know like and he keeps riding it yeah um if
you take like the back of a screwdriver and lightly tap down your frame and then you get a dead spot
that's usually means it's a pretty like deep crack yeah so you can push on it if it feels soft yeah
if it feels soft it's usually cracked i mean um you can take it to carbon repair so i
was gonna say i mean ship it to some people it's normally not that expensive for pretty basic like carbon repair and yeah touch up the paint and stuff right
yeah yeah i send some a guy in la's names like montenegro manufacturing heard
his name's hearn um he's fixed like two or three bikes for me in the past he'll paint match and make it super legit nice
i've also had him just like dude just fix this thing as cheap as possible and send it back to me yeah yeah that's it's cool job nice yeah yeah there's
definitely a lot of really reputable carbon repair places out there yeah definitely check those out yeah i should probably do that with my
gravel my salsa cut throat but yeah i just you know i mean it seems fine and i just pay
attention to it it doesn't look like it's going to go anything yeah it hasn't gotten any more also put little sharpie marks in the edge of the cracks and if
they spread yeah it's definitely cracked um if it doesn't spread it could be paint or it could be like surface level
carbon and not like legal disclaimer we are not advising that you ride any broken bike
and we are not responsible if you do exactly yourself exactly riding a broken bike may cause injury or death
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well i think that's all we got for today thank you very much for listening if you've made it this far we genuinely
appreciate it and we love you we love you thank you uh i don't have any giveaways
not this time except for the max's tires figured out that that's the style and we will get back to you yeah figure out the
data but you need to like you can't just like bss you need to give us some yeah legit data actual data yeah like
photos or results with the people's button like tires next to it someone probably some proof that's probably out
there it's probably out there well i mean i'm pretty i'm pretty certain that like it's what i said is true so yeah
yeah i mean i agree honestly i mean yeah right yeah yeah
so basically it's either dhf or dhr2 well in the in the last however you didn't even specify the exact number of
years i said i said two years last two we years even go 2019 2020 because 2020
was a short season and 2021. i believe there's more wins on a dhr2
as a front tire and a rear tire than there is as a dhf as a front tire you heard it here first folks
sort of [Laughter] all right wrong thank you very much for
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