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Jeff's New Custom Bike, Breck Epic MTB Race, Mountain Bike Myths & Classic Listener Questions..Ep 97

MTBpodcast · Jeff's Custom Revel Ranger, Breck Epic MTB Race, MTB Myths & Classic Listener Questions...

Today on the MTB Podcast, we recap our fun-filled trip to Breckenridge, Colorado for the Breck Epic MTB Race before discussing some of the finer details of Jeff's latest MTB. We then jump into an engaging array of listener questions ranging from common mountain bike myths to how to tune your bike for your area & everything in between. Tune in!

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[Music] ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode

97 of the mountain bike podcast i am jeff i'm jared and i'm liam and on this

episode we're going to talk about how to tune the rear shock on your hardtail oh gosh coil shock coil shock hopefully

it's cool rear coil shock on your hardtail nice uh we're actually going to talk about our breckenridge trip slash

the breck epic six day mountain bike race my new bike which is a custom

painted rebel ranger that i'm pretty excited about and the upcoming trip liam liam and i lena

that'd be a cool word liam and i liam and i have to andorra we're going to andorra to visit the four stall bikes

headquarters it's an e-bike brand that we're bringing on to the shop which we're pretty excited about oh yes and then listener questions ranging from

mountain bike myths retro mountain bikes how to adjust your bike when you're under biked or overbiked and

the best pranks ever pulled in worldwide cyclery history

wow well dj b's nuts play a sound effect and you

listeners out there if the sound effect doesn't work good that's because we've got the temporary dj his name is bees

nuts we're missing green goblin today go beep

[Laughter] how was that for a sound effect

wow that was good so breckenridge boys oh we spent two weeks

in breckenridge colorado in the rocky mountains it was awesome we filmed a lot of content and took photos and rode a

ton of bikes and liam and zach and dominic all raced to the breck epic

which was six days 240 miles well it ended up being five days because of a crazy weather cancellation 200 miles

yeah 200 miles uh jared and i mostly just filmed the race and slept and slept

yeah we got up early some of those days well it's kind of hard to sleep in in that condo when you know if someone

pulled the trout like people walking around

i guess i'm up the blender going off six times before seven a.m is that the blender six six

thirty twenty eight awesome blender blender i had a feeling that was gonna happen because there was so liam did it with the uh buddy of his as a race

partner so did dom and exactly it solo which was quite impressive especially given some of his

uh shenanigans shenanigans his his two nights a week uh going out partying in

the middle of the race and still surviving and completing it solo so hopefully our youtube video on this

whole race documentary comes out well it was a pretty cool race i was really impressed i thought it was i mean that area is

gorgeous i didn't do the race but i filmed it and it looked like some days you guys had a great time and some days you didn't what do you say willie i

think that's spot on um i'd say so we only did five

stages technically over six days because uh stage three or day three got canceled

due to thunderstorms and lightning storms up high so we did five days i'd say three of

those five days were absolutely incredible riding one of the days was pretty darn

incredible and one of them uh was a really hard

route to race um definitely left me salty and sour

yeah it was kind of an interesting race because it it was sort of a cross-country race but it's i don't know i mean a lot of people there were on

cross-country bikes some trail bikes and there was a good showing of spandex but also a lot of people in baggies i

don't know i was like roughly 20 to 35 miles a day and every day there was at least 5 000 feet of climbing if not more

yeah yeah roughly some of the days were like 40 42 miles with 6 000 feet so yeah

um huge mountain bike race days every day in a row for well what should have been six days would that end up being

what it was two days and then a day off and then three days three days yep yeah um yeah man i mean it was

it was probably the hardest week i've done on a bike especially you know quote unquote trying to race um those days

um yeah base elevation of the town is 9000 feet 7 400 feet yeah so everyone was

dealing with elevation stuff at the same time which is a lot harder to ride a bike at yeah that actually was the

hardest part for me was the elevation like yeah a lot of sea level people had that issue yeah like me and my so i did

the men's duo open category so i had a a duo partner uh mike easter who is a

long time roadie friend of mine um neither of us we're both pretty fit i'd

say um fitter than you know then maybe your average especially mike

we couldn't even really get our legs to get like taxed during the stages because

our lungs would go first like we our lungs and then because our lungs we couldn't breathe

uh our heart rates would spike and that was pretty much like put us in the in the rev limiter and threshold and

we couldn't really like use our legs to what i know that they could do until the very last day of the race and

that was the day me and mike really were able to like catch our feet and kind of put in some real hard efforts so

yeah it looked like cool race i mean we definitely had fun filming it we would look at the routes each night and then figure out where we as the film crew

could kind of get to and try and get some footage and then be at the start sometimes and finish sometimes and i

don't know i kind of want to put together a fun little youtube video documentary on the thing which is different than our normal youtube videos

i think it'll be a challenge to edit this thing um i don't know what do you think jerry do you think we got enough good footage

oh i think we got plenty good footage the interviews are going to be great we got a lot of good words from all the

riders and mostly zach right mostly zach um

yeah i think that it's going to be you know yes it'll be a departure from what we typically put on youtube but i think

it'll be also one of the best pieces of content that we put out and unique and um

and yeah it'll be entertaining i think no matter what yep definitely and man breckenridge i fell in love with

breckenridge there was so much fun riding there the downtown is awesome it's just the

right size it's not big and it's not you know small um there's all these amazing trails so well

built that's what i was probably the most impressed with is how well built those trails were and just just the locations everywhere yeah signage was

great everything was well marked there was jumps there was berms there i mean there wasn't i guess there wasn't really

a lot of rocky tech there by any means it was mostly kind of more rude to get out a little bit on the colorado

trail i wrote plenty of rocky rooty tech stuff yeah so a little further out of town yeah instead of 10 miles out of

town you had to go 20 miles out of town but yeah i mean i agree breckenridge itself

is so far the best colorado town i've been to as far as location of this the city itself and the

from that the location of the trails yeah we didn't have to drive a car if we didn't want to yeah that's always going

to say as we we're walking from you know walking all over town riding bikes from where we're staying in

town to the trails yeah and not just like the trails but like a myriad of trails you know like fun flowy yeah your

jump line or you want a little technical or like you want to do a big day like or just take the bike path for you know to

keystone like yeah and gravel bikes yeah or commuter road bikes i don't know or yeah i mean just a casual bike path too

i would highly recommend it that was probably the coolest mountain town i've been to for sure in a long time i'd love to go back one would have fun yeah yeah

i agree i'd love to go back for a week with just the boys and go have fun not necessarily trying to race playing a

couple big days and playing a couple days where she's like all right let's go explore yeah maybe we hit the town and you know wake up at noon yeah or go

rafting or yeah yeah there's a lot of stuff to do there so couldn't cannot recommend breckenridge colorado enough

for a good fun mountain bike destination to take a little vacation to if you're looking for something like that and it's

probably a great ski place in the winter but yeah i don't know it is really ski so yeah but it looks nice

speaking of breck that was the first time i got to ride my new bike which i built another revel ranger it's not a

ton of another it's not a ton of new bikes these days that are exciting me well it hasn't really been many new bikes from anyone

because of the whole pandemic shenanigans for the last couple years in supply chain what not um and i don't know i also have said this a million

times before on this podcast but i feel like bikes are kind of a little bit hitting an innovation plateau and they're pretty damn near perfect

that revel rangers is so good it's such a fun bike it's a 115 in the back right

and then 120 in the front 29er i love that thing and i had one as kind of my

primary bike for quite a long time and just built up another one uh thanks willie for all your help there

since you did mostly all the work and it came out so good it uh we had it

custom painted by this guy technar and it looks so cool it's got this whole two-faced paint job um all the youtube

video about it and uh it'll sneak on the instagram soon enough here right jared that's right yeah pretty soon yeah

yeah man 11 speed oh for an actual 11 speed not one with the whole cog cut

off people looking at my drive train like whoa what drive train is that just an old one

all right i'm gonna ask you one question because i know you're to do a whole youtube video on it but for the podcast

from your previous ranger to your new ranger ooh was your favorite part change that

you made on the bike because you only changed a couple parts but all of them are like pretty decent

parts that you changed i think the the wheels were the biggest change the wheels so my old ranger i had industry

nine uh trail 270s yes right but i had the 24 spoke versions

with aluminum rims aluminum industry nine uh 27mm internal rims and on this

new one i have those new bird hawk 27 rims with

the bird spokes and industry nine hubs and that made a huge difference in the way that that bike felt i mean i shaved

off almost a pound right by doing that definitely yeah yeah those spokes and those rims are so light and it just made

that bike feel so fast uh i really liked that um i really am kind of just totally

digging on those bird wheels right now i rode those on that rascal as well when we went to sun valley and i just love

them i think they're they ride super good they just make the bike feel really good this kind of perfect balance of

damping in terms of the way that the wheels vibrate and good not too much flex not too little

flex it's just they're just dialed i really like those things you have them on your bike now too right i do yeah i have the bird spokes laced to the

revel rw27 rims but i totally agree with you i mean i think it dropped like i

want to say 250 grams off the wheel set just swapping out the spokes alone yeah those spokes are like i mean

just the difference i mean the wheels spin up so quick like acceleration wise yeah that rotational weight when you

have spokes that are that light it's kind of hard to explain but once you get on the bike and you kind of go from stop

to 10 miles an hour that just like spin up is just feels so much more effortless with wheels that light 100 i mean uh it

just i'm on my mondraker raise and it just yeah the bike just pedals so well

with those wheels i mean it just it's a game changer you know versus just like a regular wheel set you can just you can

just tell how much better it faster it accelerates and climbs easier and and you're right the

vibration damping is actually pretty remarkable as well yeah yeah so you're gonna start riding those i have them on

my manual raise as well i have bird spokes lace to revel rw30 rims

um so uh 29 internal word turret has a 27 internal ones

um yeah i i love them on that bike um yeah i haven't i haven't been all the

reasons above so yeah i mean it's been a long time since i've tried something new and i was like oh i really like this

this is better than what i had before yeah but those bird bird spokes they they definitely did it so yeah i was

pretty pumped on that speaking of that we just did a really funny instagram giveaway uh that we partnered with bird on and they actually gave one lucky

winner a free set of what 2 200 wheels um for what was the contest it was

dressed up like a bird like a bird or something ride in a bird costume yeah um yeah this guy rode the bike park at snow

summit and a bird costume and it was very impressive yeah people put some effort into that contest yeah rightfully so it was a big

prize definitely it was tough to choose the winner but um i think that he deserved it and he is a

an avid cross-country racer so he will put them to good use yeah that was funny yeah i just remember

looking watching those videos when you saw him rolling in and i was like this is some pretty funny videos people actually dressed up like a bird here

very entertaining it was entertaining [Music] speaking of entertaining things oh and

dora so liam and i are getting on a plane this week to go flying into barcelona which is just south of andorra

andorra is a small landlocked country in between spain and france which happens to be the headquarters of forstall and

also home of a big ski resort where they have mountain bike world cups basically every year right yeah they had one this year

um forestall man i'm really curious to go there because forestall i don't even

know enough about i feel like yeah they're new on the scene but they've been you know clearly who's ever funding for

a stall has got deep pockets and they're making this incredible stuff a motor from scratch

and just a premium e-bike mountain bike brand um from scratch but they've been

working on the project for how long uh i don't even know years yeah it's been years and now they're

coming to fruition and yeah we've been working on this project for like 16 months now yeah um when we first started

having conversations about carrying them so yeah it's been a long time coming for

both sides yeah and i mean what they're basically their mo is they're really trying to make you know the leading e-mountain

bike in terms on the premium side of things so when you're talking that sort of 10 000 plus ebike

that's where they want to dominate and make the best stuff most reliable stuff and just really good high quality bikes

and we've got we've had a couple demos here for what six months uh since sea otter yeah yeah we had them

yeah yeah and they've been so much fun to ride every one of us that's written and has been blown away it's part of why

we're like yeah this brand is going somewhere and they know what they're doing so we definitely want to be a dealer for them so it's going to be cool

to go to their headquarters and it's always cool to go to bike brand's headquarters and you can really get an

idea of the legitimacy of the brand and who's doing it what's going on there how well organized or not it is

and you can kind of just see what's happening so i'm i'm pumped to do that and check that out and we finally got a

whole bunch of those bikes here uh you know in stock so if you're curious hit our website we've got a

bunch of information on that we're going to continue to make sort of videos about the brand and um yeah just show people

what they're doing on the insides of it because it is cool i mean i think that they kind of have their sights set on

some really really high targets with what they want to do and accomplish with those bikes and so far it seems like

they're pulling it off quite well so i don't know what are you excited liam i'm super excited i mean

i was excited just when i got the bike and started riding it jared and i both got these we took him to sea otter we

rode uh santa cruz campus trails on them and like right away we're like these things are insane they

um kind of blend the difference between it's kind of like the best of everything

you have your enduro bike you have your lightweight e-bike which is like the kinivo sl from specialized and then you

have a full-size e-bike you kind of get like the best of everything like i feel like the forestall

rides really good downhill um you get the weight in the right place uh but you can also throw it around like normal

bike and then going uphill you have the torque of almost a full powered e-bike that weighs 50 pounds even on these

weight 41 pounds um so right away i was like blown away um it's really hard to ride a normal

bike when that thing is so fun to ride yeah um and yeah i'm stoked to go to andor i'm

stoked to see the headquarters from all the photos i've seen the headquarters looks like uh like they should be designing f1

cars yeah well and they're actually making the bikes there yeah doing laying up the frames and everything so it's a

pretty unique operation yeah definitely anyone's making bikes in andorra so yeah that's pretty weird the paint booths and

the paint uh the paint jobs look amazing in person but yeah i want to see the paint boost

and all that stuff too the operation over there just looks completely high-end and

really incredible so yeah they have actually really good instagram by the way if you want to check that out it's just forced old bikes or something i

believe so yeah um but yeah their instagram is good they do a good job at kind of showing the inside of the facility there and what they're working

on in their paint room and all that sort of stuff and um it's pretty rad it's just it's just shocking what they're

doing and what they're pulling off and yeah it's another one of those sort of new brands that's coming up and

everyone's kind of turning their hands going oh whoa this is interesting yeah um yeah i'm excited that it's an e-bike

like you could barely tell honestly yeah true yeah because they're that kind of lightweight e-bike for sure yeah but

then they just pack a lot of torque which is really cool yeah yeah i loved those things that riding that and riding

a number of other e-bikes made me realize like i kind of really just like that 39 to 41 pound e-bike and i don't

really want to go much more although you made a good argument about the mandraker that you rode because you can just do these what 30-mile rides

yeah do these big epic rides and yeah i get it i mean i think e-bikes in terms of size of battery and motor

that's going to be just like size of suspension and yeah you know travel of suspension and everyone's going to be like well i have this you bike for this

and this one for the hat what's your flavor yeah you're going to have them all and you know plus in the years to come i mean with battery technology

improving constantly um we could very well see full power d bike weigh 10 pounds less you know yeah

and the kind of years so yeah we'll see yep that is true i'm looking forward to

that yeah me too well should we dive into these listener questions i think so uh this first question

is way too wordy something about you're given a magic rock magicians are tight

on times are tough for magician this is a very long confusing question i don't know who wrote this you want me to read

it uh no no there's too many words but the question is essentially if you could if you could wish away

a myth in the mountain bike world what would it be uh i don't know

yeah it's kind of a tough question i don't know if there's too many things i could say myths or maybe just

uh misperceptions i i would think something something that kind of is a pet peeve of

mine is when people will rag on a brand with

one data point and what i mean is if they have one buddy who broke a you name the brand then they think that

that brand sucks forever you know uh or you know they they got a rockshox

reverb post uh during the you know version one of it and it had multiple

warranty issues and now they just wrote off rock shock reverb posts for the rest of the life even though they've totally changed since then so i think that's

kind of my pet peeve is that you have to understand with all of the stuff in the mountain bike industry there's always

iterations there's always improvement in this stuff and there's always a defect rate a warranty rate and that warranty

percentage rate uh it's a real thing and it won't go away and just because some brand makes

something that has a one percent warranty rate just because you happen to see one percent of something doesn't mean that the rest of that those

products suck or that brand sucks um that's just something that peeves me

i don't know what you got jared i would totally agree i mean you know kind of like based on that kind of like we were

talking about earlier when we were going over these questions you know you're saying like how basically when like yeah you

switch infinity came out everybody was like well that that slides on a stanchion like

that's gonna go horribly wrong yeah and like people see things that they yeah they look confusing and they just go oh it's

terrible yeah it's terrible one guy oh okay have you tested it do you know anyone who's testing it do you understand the like clearly understand

the intricacies of the testing that the brand did before they produced it and decided to sell it yeah because if you didn't do any of those things then you

shouldn't be making judgments right now yeah it's not like eddie was just like hey this looks pretty cool let's try this out i was like no i think they

probably figured it out before like you know had many iterations and uh you know obviously it works

really well because i've never seen a switch infinity oh yeah no it's aside

from someone that's been completely completely neglected yeah and like obviously obviously that's gonna go

around because you're not supposed to neglect you know maintenance on your mount but yeah but um i mean yeah i've

never seen one that's been like someone was like yeah i've been taking care of it and it's just gotta destroy it like that just doesn't happen yeah no it

doesn't work like that i mean like anything there's gonna be a percentage of things that go wrong yeah but that

you could just name any suspension part on any other full suspension mount bike on any brand and there's gonna be a percentage of those that were just have

a manufacturing defect issue yeah but that's pretty much what i got um because yeah i mean i've had

five yetis with switch infinities and they've all been fine yeah so i've had five

yetis i think so you're a dentist son of a dentist

but yeah i mean i also you know guilty of servicing them and greasing them and

making sure the bolts are tight oh yeah took care of your bike sue me took care of your bike well yeah it

worked well yeah i made sure it was clean and greased and bolts are tight like that's all you have to do with pretty much everything yeah yeah it's

like the those those people out there who never service their dropper post and then it doesn't work well and they think it's a

piece of junk and it's like well did you ever service it i thought it for a year yeah yeah exactly

i should have serviced it twice by now it's not a once every five years thing so here's this thing it's called grease

yeah yeah you got any myths liam or i'm gonna start a myth the magic wrap oh you're gonna start one yeah

uh the horses no that that's a business opportunity to keep that down

um if uh your tire logos aren't lined up with your

valve that they won't actually seal right that's hilarious yeah who's ever

listening please tell your friends that with a straight face and then after you tell them that tell

them that it only doesn't apply to hardtails that have rear shocks

specifically hardtails with coil shocks or tails with coil shocks you know this is if someone's

listening to this episode and they're kind of half listening and also watching a tv show or have it as on the background and they just like chime in

and hear your entire logos don't line up with your valve stems your tires look what what like they're gonna

a lot of weird context in this episode that you're gonna have to gonna be on your toes for this one yeah i feel like i don't know we should i feel like we

should tell the story behind the the coil shotgun oh yeah just go ahead tell jared all right so we're on our way out

to colorado um in liam's van is me liam and zach and um you know we've been driving for i

don't know at least maybe a day and a half at this point and we passed a car with a bike on the roof rack

and it was a i want to say it was probably like a was it a k2 or something k2 it's like a mid-2000s k2 yep from

sport chalet okay full suspension i might add um you know and it was a aluminum bike and

zach just kind of mutters coil shock on a hard tail

and liam and i kind of sat there for about a minute to we couldn't process what he had just said so

um we thought and then i just go what the did you just say

what's up and then i think that uh that broke jared for like five minutes

i was crying zack i mean you you know better one of those road trip things man yeah

you know so uh there you have it that's why we're we're exclaiming cool shocking heart that's true speaking of

shocks or all rear shocks this next question is actually pretty important yeah uh does low speed compression

settings affect sag when setting up your suspension uh the answer is yeah you should have

your compression high and or low depending on your shock all the way open slash off when you're

doing your sag so turned counterclockwise correct yeah yeah on

most shocks counterclockwise minus minus

we didn't confuse you with the previous topics here's the unscrewed open

backed off minus sign low speed compression yeah your compression settings should be completely off and or

open and however you want to say it uh when you're setting your sag uh that goes for your fork and your rear shock

there you go um that's a pretty easy one actually yeah not too much to unpack there not too much to unpack

but you know what there is suspensions not packing oh yeah and now we're talking rebound

but yeah speaking of unpacking how to tune your bike for your area that you may

be over or under biked for this guy is overbiked

wow well first off i would say what kind of tires you're running right

because i mean you could get a faster rolling tire and help you out if you're over biked for your area

or if you're under bikes you could get a more aggressive tire setup you know

i mean i would start there do you have any insight well i think you can adjust your

suspension too yeah right so say you've got a you know six inch travel enduro bike and you're riding kind of more

excish trails uh you could definitely put on tires that might not be

as hard as heavy and as durable of casings so you can shave some weight there maybe a little faster rolling resistance

tire you could toss that on there too if you want and then you can stiffen up your suspension so if you've got six inches of travel and

you're riding kind of smooth flow exe trails you don't really need that much so

you know go down in your sag up the pressures and uh just keep the bike a little bit stiffer and faster and that'll

definitely help your overlapping situation a little bit low speed compression if you can yeah yeah

definitely yeah that's like the on-the-fly type of thing if you end up under biked and or sorry over biked and

don't have a shock bump or anything um yeah play around with a bump your compression up stiffen up your

suspension get some different tires you could also you know lower the

your stack under underneath your space your spacers underneath your stem a little better so yeah if you guys if

you're climbing a lot feel like you're climbing a ton and you're on a big long travel bike that isn't meant to be climbing that much then you can lower

that front end a bit that'll help um i don't know i mean i think suspension setup and tires are probably

the most important things there either direction right if you're under biked or overblocked um then you just want to over tire or over stiffen yeah yeah

definitely if you're under biked uh i highly suggest looking at volume spacers

so you better use your small amount of travel for the gnarly trails you're riding volume spacers

which can make your fork or shock more progressive correct yeah yep meaning you can run them softer off the

top while still allowing them to not bottom out that easily just for further explanation thanks jeff

well said i don't know yeah i mean suspension setup and tires i think are the are your

your biggest wins there it's a good call um without changing so many parts and then you just have a different bike

also just a great way to experiment with your bike and you know tune it to your preferences i

guess as well yep yep i agree i agree speaking of preferences

i think this one kind of is uh you know it's kind of your question jeff would you ever consider moving into a new

market yeah well i'm not exactly sure what people mean by new market what do you think they mean well i think they mean

like shopping for bonds rather than trader joe's or would you ever open a store in canada i think that's what they

mean oh i thought they meant when uh it was more of a different industry yes really they meant when we shut down and

went into worldwide coloring kazoos um yep we did we did leave the bike industry on april 1st 2018 2019 19.

yeah i assumed this was regarding uh you know geographical

market and uh world wide cycle we're called worldwide cycling worldwide yes

um we are okay we'll answer it that way with that uh i think yeah people ask us that a lot

hey you should open up a shop here we have we have three stores one in southern california which is where all of us are from um at least us as in on

this podcast and we have a store in reno nevada just north of reno and then we've got one in lancaster pennsylvania on the

east coast and as many of you listening probably know we're predominantly an e-commerce business which means we sell

bicycles and bicycle parts and accessories on the interweb so we ship the stuff and the majority of that shipping takes

place out of our reno and lancaster pennsylvania stores so we're not really

the traditional sort of local bike shop albeit our three stores our retail stores that you can come in and ride

bikes and demo bikes and buy things or click and collect a little trendy term people like to say you can click and buy and then pick up

and store if you want to want to do that you ever heard that term never heard that it's one of those technology ecommerce nerd terms i'm going to click

and click collect um i i think it would be i mean

i think that it would be fun to open shops elsewhere and uh you know i think that sustaining the tradition part of

the reason worldwide cyclery is how it is is because i think the traditional bike shop in the sense of just a local

business uh it's just really hard to sustain and make profitable and keep

profitable and run in a healthy manner uh which is part of the reason why i thought worldwide cycler would be a

better idea to be sort of a multi-channel e-commerce business as opposed to a traditional local bike

shop so because of that because we have three stores that are specifically placed to basically you know if you're

on the east coast or the west coast we can get you your order really quick because it'll come you know routed

proximity proximity proximity it's called proximity routing i don't know if there's a way to say proximity

approximately proximity sounds cool your order will go out of the store

nearest you so you can get it faster in terms of shipping speed which everyone cares about so i don't know as fun as it

would be to open shops in other places it's not really logistically necessary

uh so i don't know i don't really know if we ever will open more than three stores

but would we ever go somewhere such as europe or canada or brazil um that'd be cool well if we

i've already said if we're going to canada um where we're going we're moving up there yeah

at least for the summer i don't want to be in canada i'm volunteering to run that operation yeah we'll be there

see you see you never i mean there's definitely people who

open businesses in random locations just because it's a cool spot and they're like i just want to be here like

breckenridge yeah we just make up an excuse like we have to be in breckenridge we're gonna have a summer store there yeah like you have your

people have vacation homes we'll have uh vacation stores like location vacation location we'll have a pop-up in

breckenridge yeah uh every june first to september 15th

that's honestly not that's not a bad idea would probably work i i don't know i mean we could change it

every year too we could yeah we could change it every year that we could call it the summer pop-up yeah uh i don't know there's a a lot of

these questions fly across my desk these days and uh i don't know we we have a lot on our plate with what we're doing

with kettle uh the apparel brand that we own as well as trail one which is the mountain bike component brand that we're invested in and all the other existing

things that worldwide's invested in working on uh i think a lot of it boils back down

to uh we're in this business to have fun and enjoy ourselves and we want to do

things such as take two weeks off in breckenridge and make it a workation and ride bikes and have fun and make sure

people enjoy themselves and i frankly am just in uh business to have fun and to have a

business that is enjoyable to run and people like to be at and that's kind of the idea here i'm

not really interested in being like oh we need to have 50 locations by 2025 and hit these revenue targets like i'm just

not i don't know i'm over that stage of my life i'm kind of just rather enjoying myself

so if any if either you guys want to go open up locations all over the world let me know

cheers to that i'm gonna sign up for the pop-up location yeah i think the summer pop-up

location might be might be the deal yeah we don't have anything to sell but come and hang out and ride bikes with us

we sell you an experience yeah and you buy parts from us after speaking of

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and now back to the show dude jeff we're working while you're

messing with your phone okay go let me ask you your worst mountain bike poop related story

uh i don't know if i have that bad of one um i've never pooed my pants or anything

i did have to uh actually when we were riding with bkxc we wrote a suicide trail that one day

i had a i had a whole cold brew from starbucks i was a little aggressive and

wasn't able to i wasn't able to i wasn't able to have my meeting with the plumber's union prior to the ride for whatever reason so

i figured it was going to happen half and after get back to the car you park at the trailhead or sort of

that like back trailhead in this really really nice homes uh suburban

neighborhood in oak park and in this cul-de-sac and i had no choice got back to the truck and um i

pretty much went underneath some fence and found some gutter and just took a poo while i was looking

at two million dollar homes you made it your own i made it my own so i don't know it was a neighborhood poo that's

not that's not too bad wasn't that bad no i'm sure jared has some pretty good ones it's funny because i didn't i don't

remember this one until now like until you start talking about yours but um i was thinking you know i don't really

have that one bad one but then i remembered this one um i was out for a pretty solid ride

in sycamore sycamore canyon and um on my way back

i was a few hours deep and my gut was just

disturbed to say the least it was pretty common for jared this was a this was a unique

particularly disturbed this was a situation where i was particularly disturbed and um so i got to the i was getting

near those like where is the climb out you know you got to go up the blacktop hill and i was like

where okay when am i gonna get there like wow i this is getting it was getting worse by the minute and so um

thankfully i made it to the bottom you know there's the porta potty right there at the bottom of the blacktop hill

which i proceeded to absolutely destroy but there was no toilet paper um and it

was a messy incident to say the least so i had to sacrifice a glove

glove well okay so here's all these socks are less expensive the glove already had holes in it

so i was like you know what it was already on my hand

i'm just gonna actually remember if i used it in that manner but um yeah i'm pretty it was a nice glove i

think it was a pot glove or something like that but it had holes in it and um yeah it's a poop glove yeah

that's probably my worst one aside from that i went for a ride and i i didn't you know visit the plumber's union is

that what you said you didn't take the kids to the super bowl yeah i didn't take the kids to super bowl beforehand and then like i was sprinting afterwards

but it wasn't as bad that one coming out of sycamore was bad because i was like i don't know if i'm going to make it

mm-hmm you know but the thing got anything really if you don't it's fine no i really mean the listeners have heard

enough yeah the only the only the only stuff that comes to mind is like those really early morning races back in the

day where you're fully kidded you're about to head the line and then you're like oh no i gotta hit it and then you gotta go

to race port-a-potty which is always a line for oh god everyone has pre-race day nerves so they're blown up and then

you have to get naked because you're wearing a stupid bib and you have to get naked in a porta potty yeah

that's that's ridiculous yeah never a lot of those never fun it's not fun it's not like a tragic poop story yeah it's

not you know yeah not tragic it's not terrible but i mean who wants to yeah like get fully buck and uh in a porta

potty not me i mean yeah yeah that's true

okay moving on why don't you have a retro mtb already

uh i would honestly like a retro mtp that sounds kind of cool but you know what i feel i feel as if my gravel bike

is a retro mtb without that with hydraulic brakes and carbon fiber technology yeah it's still rigid

machines it's still rigid has and that's where your skinny tires and that's it yeah

and rigid carbon everything i have a semi retro mtb depends by like

retro you mean like 70s 80s yeah i felt like an early 2000s uh retro mtb

yeah it's uh what do you what was yours well it's this uh it was a pro cycles

which um i believe is a brand from kind of where i grew up

in ventura uh where the guy would buy like giants and tracks and repaint them

as his own bike um i'm pretty sure pretty sure is never a legitimate brand

um and is in my buddy's garage and i used to always go over there and do wheelies on

it and one day it was his dad's bike and he goes when are you going to take that thing home i was like oh now

so i took it home and it's kind of been mine ever since and um it's got like original white

industries hubs on it like og version ones which was pretty sweet uh a rasta salsa skewer

chris king headset um and then it's got like an old 1x10 drivetrain on it

and when i lived in ventura i rode that thing almost daily

uh because there's a much more of a kind of happening nighttime scene than where i live now i don't think i've

ridden it once since i've lived in newbury park so yeah i kind of have a retro mountain bike it's a mid 90s giant sedona oh

it's pretty cool yeah i think you've seen it the one with all yeah you have a pizza rack on it yeah i got a pizza rack and a crate on the back

it's got a hamburger bell it's got some leather grips from portland design work so i think the

company's called pdw uh i just asked the internet by the way and typically the term retro is given to

items which are at least 20 years old but not yet 40 years old because that's a vintage probably after 40. yeah a lot

of this is related to antiques and furniture so mine is retro technically because it's from the 90s mine's more

than 20. about to be 40. it depends we'll be retro soon i mean

2001 it's 20 years ago there you go so we're all retro people would you get a retro vintage or retro yeti or

uh i would be pretty low i would like a really high end

uh xc race bike yeah hard tail that'd be cool like an xc race bike from the early

90s they're kind of all actually right yeah and then and then make it single speed

and put uh i don't know like i would at least have to have wider bars on it it's all gonna

be correct and you're not allowed to have wider buttons yeah it's all some of those closer

bars because they don't work good there's your answer guy i would i would love a sick well this is going vintage but i'd love

a like a 1950s schwinn that'd be rad i love those old bikes what about um

what are they called the uh the ones the huge the ones with the huge front wheel uh

penny farther right oh yeah i've ridden some of those that'd be cool not very tactical

you would look great on that all right next question if i have a trail bike can i just get beefier suspension and call it an

all-mountain bike uh well for starters what's confusing here is a trail bike and an all-mountain

bike to many people would be the same thing and there are no real clearly defined

there's no one specific source that says this is the exact travel range of what a trail bike

is versus an all-mountain bike versus an enduro bike versus an xc bike so it's kind of sort of

commonly accepted knowledge of mountain bike industry people i don't

know blurred lines there's all sorts of blurred lines i uh

so the answer is yes yeah and in this case it's kind of yes if you wanted an xc bike and make beefier suspension and

call it a trail bike yeah i don't know well i mean this kind of goes back to just that concept what we were talking

about being earlier of underbiked and over biked i mean you could kind of take any bike from its stock configuration

and make some various modifications to make it beefier and closer to the next category

of bike up yeah and you could also do that the other direction you can make some modifications to make it closer to

the category of bike sort of below it in terms of below is in less travel and less weight

so you could you can modify your heart out that's honestly probably part of what makes mountain biking so fun you know you take

any one bike and change it up to your particular use case and desired preferences

you can also call it whatever you want to call it yeah that bikes mountain bike mountain bike yeah it is a

mountain bike it's made for going in the mountains made for riding in the mountains

yeah we actually did have a i guess this stuff is more confusing to people who are newer in the industry we made a

video on youtube once called the mountain bike buyers guide and i think i did a decent job of breaking down all

the various mountain bike categories in their travel ranges i would check that video out and that

article because uh it's very useful so if you're still confused on what type of bike is what or

you're just newer in the industry and trying to learn i would definitely just go to youtube and type in mountain bike buyer's guide worldwide cyclery and bam

boom that video has a lot of good information um we try to classify everything in there really carefully and

cautiously and specifically um albeit there's a lot of blurred lines in this whole space of mountain biking because

you change things so much which is part of what the fun is but also part of where a lot of the confusion comes in for newer riders into the sport

true that mm-hmm how about the next question

i dream of running my own shop one day what said yours on the right path from the start

uh well you know it's funny i i did a podcast interview with the nbda the national

bicycle dealers association uh maybe that was it six months or a year ago

and they asked the question something about you know if there's new people wanting to get into the bicycle industry

what are your thoughts opinions advice or whatever and frankly i said be careful and be

cautious because it's very challenging it's a lifestyle industry that's not necessarily the most profitable of one

and there's plenty of risk and challenge involved in it and it's just not easy not that really any businesses i would

probably call i would probably call any business easy but it's certainly not an easy one to run so if you want to open

up your own shop i would just say tread cautiously there's that old saying which is said in

other industries too but it's how do you make a million dollars in the bike industry you start out with two million dollars

that's a good one uh there yeah i would just i would just tread cautiously and tread lightly and

and i think in in my experience being in the bicycle industry for the better part of my life i've seen more shops and

businesses in the industry go out of business because they're run by passionate

bike riders and people who are passionate and love bikes and riding bikes and are not necessarily passionate

knowledgeable or meticulous business people and i think you have to have a nice healthy balance

of the two if you want to actually operate a business that is going to work in the industry so if you really are

clear and understanding and know what you're doing and in terms of the game of business and you also happen to ride

bikes then you'll probably be able to pull it off if you really don't care much about business and it's not your thing and you don't understand it very

well i would just work for a bike industry company and not try and run your own business because you're not a business

person so i don't know that's my advice hopefully that wasn't too pessimistic no i mean

more cautionary i think it's realistic it's it's a tough uh tough business to make it in honestly i

mean yeah be sustainable yeah i mean what again like what so what i just said to answer the latter half of

that question what set ours on the right path was the fact that i wasn't just a passionate bike person i also enjoyed

the game of business a lot and i'm very much a business person on top of being a mountain bike person so that was a really huge help for us

also we just had good fundamentals do right by customers do right by your internal staff make sure you're keeping

up with industry trends and knowledgeable of consumer preferences and behaviors and all of that sort of

thing and just make sure you're stoking people out and that they're really happy to do business with you and that you're also paying attention to your financials

simultaneously so you don't just sink the ship so that's definitely what's helped

worldwide cyclery succeed over the years um just being a little bit savvier at the game of business

than i think most of the people in the bike industry are nailed it yeah yeah i literally couldn't

put it better myself now uh should we proceed to the next

question i think we should this one's a little more technical well not really technical more maintenance focused and it once for

all is it really that big of a deal clamping a bike to the dropper post in a stand i think what they are more

specifically referring to is clamping the bike to the stanchion of the dropper post

yep liam i mean i don't wanna go on record with this one but

um but you are but i clamp a lot of bikes to the stanchion the jog post in the stand

um but i'm not like tell us the catch yeah i'm not

tweaking on the bike i'm not torquing it all around i'm not spinning it around i'm not you know trying to put too much load on

that um when i do that and if i am doing something that requires a lot of load or i'm putting a bike

you know say upside down for a fork service or something i'd move where i'm clamping it

yeah yeah or so essentially the thing is is there's two things about a dropper post you don't want to clamp on the

stanchion because you don't want to mar the stance true so you've got to have a microfiber on there yeah or really good

rubber pads all of our stands have both fresh pads and microfibers yeah exactly so you

don't want to mar the stanchion um and then the second thing is you don't want to just like torque around that's that's

how do you even say that right yeah like yank around it's like a weird yeah it's like i could see it in my head and i

could show you but i can't speak to you uh you don't want you want you don't want to literally

jostle around yeah jiggle around that thing because there's bushings in there and there's leverage and you don't you don't want to do that so

if you do put it on the stanchion uh like liam said don't do anything where you're really like jiggling the

whole bike around like don't don't be trying to pop pedals off and uninstall and reinstall cranks or yeah like that's

not a good thing to do while the bike is clamped to that um and then also just make sure that if

you do put it on there because you're going to do something gentle like you're just putting it in the stand real quick to take the front wheel off and then do

something at the front wheel and put it back on that's not a big deal uh make sure that you don't mar that stanchion and you've got good rubber pads yeah

good microfiber yeah when i build new kind of not a yes or no question it's just like it's a situation

situational and a tread lightly when we build dune bikes at worldwide we have

dummy posts as we call them um just a rigid post or a old dropper with

that's been kind of gutted and we clamp it to that to build the bike and then we take the

bike off the stand to put the dropper in um so a lot of our building and jostling

or jiggling or however you'd call it putting on cranks and wheels and

torquing stuff um is done with the dummy posts so we're

not yeah putting any stress on that dropper that's the proper way to do it yeah but once a bike's built you can't

really do that yeah it's kind of hard to do and if there's it's getting less and less common now because chopper post travels

are getting so long that there's not usually enough um post out

yeah what'd you call that part exposed post exposed like lower post yeah lower post

um out to clamp on that but if there is i always clamp on that too yeah and not the actual stanchion for sure it's

pretty rare nowadays on modern mountain bikes to have that much yeah uh you know lower post out

yeah makes sense yep well jared this is the last question

you're supposed to say at least but not last but not least least but not last

what is the best prank that you all have played on each other that we've never seen or been told

well got a couple of them i've got one which jeff actually set a rule in place

for early on um [Music] jeff was out of town for a while which

he normally is but back then he didn't go out of town as much um he had an office

and we built up a cardboard barrier behind the office and filled up the entire barrier to the roof all right i

forgot about that super annoying with uh packing pillows

um and jeff get in my office opened up the off opened up the door to his office and all these packing pillows came out

and he screamed something and said i have a call in two minutes and

then he had like luckily he had a door in front of his office so he ran around the front opened up that door had his

call then came all the way back around and said clean that up uh new new rule

and worldwide if the prank takes more than five minutes to clean up or to have

made it is not allowed in worldwide so efficient pranks only yeah five five

minutes of setup and five minutes of teardown of prankery if the pranks decrease the work productivity then they

are not acceptable pranks yeah yeah more than five minutes in either direction so i forgot about that rule that was a

pretty that was a pretty funny one early on not jeff i actually made a rule for so i think it's significant

wow i thought you were going to uh tell the story of how you once

removed some parts off of adam's bike because he left it in the wrong place

and hid them throughout the shop well don't make me sound like it you know well because his bike was completely covered

in mud and in the like in

the work area dripping mud and dried dirt all over the place yeah and that's

a no-no and worldwide we have a very clean operation here yeah so yeah i took off the front and rear wheel and the

frame and i drew a treasure map on his desk for him to find the wheels and frame

that's the one i thought you were talking i think there was actually an argument over if that was more than five minutes set up or take down two on that

there's definitely less than five minutes for me to do that come on two wheels off in a treasure map that a two-year-old drew

that's four minutes i had enough change to go to the bathroom after that wow hopefully answering emails while you're

doing that i still thought one of the funnier ones because it was probably one of the only times that there was ever almost an

actual fight in the dank store amongst the staff was we were filming some youtube video

about uh it might have been a trending product sir yeah just bark park park poly loop

which is like probably the most popular grease that we use and everyone in the mountain bike world uses

uh i don't know how that where they all were to film a skit for this park poly loop so

so uh a man that shall remain nameless i don't know if this was his idea or not uh he

he put a bunch of park poly lube on the underside of a door handle and then put a camera recording it and then people

were going and you know opening the door and getting the grease all over their hand and uh

and zach um he's not remaining nameless

zach zach opens the door handle gets pork poly lube all over his hand looks behind him realizes there's a

camera watching him and no one else around and proceeds to go over to the camera and uh let's see how do i say this show his

genitals oh that was as aggressive man i was gonna say he was gonna take his parts that the sun don't shine and sorry um

drag them all over the camera and then

and then then later the camera was picked up and brought to the desk and the

sd card was pulled out and i'm like oh let's check out the footage and then it was like oh all my hands my keyboard and

then there was a whole ordeal and almost a fight and yeah that was yeah right that was a prank almost

funnier than that though is pat went in that door first got the poly lube on him wiped it on his pants

and he didn't even need to do it yeah like nothing in the world happened like just gets grease all over his hand looks

at it within half a second wipes it on his pants goes on with his life weird like there's a bunch of grease on the doorknob i didn't even think about it no

big deal that's a total pack of bike shops you know there's grease everywhere but yeah there's grease everywhere who

cares oh man yeah yeah wow couple of a couple of the best pranks ever pulled

yeah luckily it hasn't hasn't gotten too out of control there's no there's never been like a you know the place never

burned down because it pranks like no i think one time you hit my like i got a new bike and it was delivered and i

think you hit it somewhere and i was like freaking out because it said it was delivered and i was like wait no i can't

find it where that was you know what i've i haven't done it here because we don't really have a bike to do it here but i did it at an old shop once like uh

we i worked at normal family shop sold specialized bikes and an employee

ep'd i think like an s-works tarmac super nice bike um he was not there that

day and it came in we opened up the bike from the bottom

took the bike out slid in a like nine or like four hundred dollar

specialized hard rock um into the s-works bike from the bottom

sealed it back up and acted like we never touched it and uh he went and opened up the box

completely flipped out immediately called specialized before before any of us even knew what

was like fully happening and in the middle of the phone call he's like flipping out and someone overhears

him and goes stop stop stop stop stop i'll show you where your bike is like apologize to the

specialized wraps oh no and uh yeah that was that was pretty

funny wow yeah the old switcheroo gone wrong yeah old switcheroo

posts almost always go wrong right like oh man it's not safe because they spiral out of control quick especially when

you're messing with like someone's dream bike yeah yeah be careful with those but

at the same time for a good prank you gotta hit them where it hurts yeah that's well well uh if anyone's still listening we

would love to hear any good pranks you've ever pulled oh yeah most specifically bicycle related pranks yes

we like to hear those so you have a good one though about what the bearings and the

stuff oh yeah and when i worked at a shop as a kid we did all sorts of funny stuff like that yeah we would take ball

bearings and we'd put them in people's steer tube and then put electrical tape on the bottom of the steer tube which is

pretty good because it's sticky enough it's just sticky enough and it gets less sticky right so you don't notice and you

ride your bike and if you're cruising it you don't hear anything but the second you start hitting bumps you hear this

like weird like ting ting because that ball bearing is bouncing around in the empty steer tube

and it's really hard to recreate um but people i just don't know what the sound is i don't know it's just like i

just only certain bumps i hit and i just hear this like weird sound and they try to describe the sound and it's a good

it's a good one to you know to play with people you're like in the handlebars you know what yeah yeah yeah putting bearings in the

bars yeah that's funny oh man don't get too many ideas

but yeah but with uh speaking of ideas please send your best pranks to podcast worldwidecycler.com [Laughter]

and we may play one here and then tell you how it goes

well if you're listening still thank you we love you we hope you enjoyed this podcast we are going to go on with our

tuesday evening and see you guys in the next [Music]

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