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Impressive MTB Components, Riding Essentials, Crank Tech & Tons Of Listener Questions... Episode 95 [Podcast]

MTBpodcast · Impressive MTB Components, Riding Essentials, Crank Tech & Tons Of Listener Questions... Ep. 95

Saddle up for another extraordinary episode of the MTB Podcast! This time around, we recap our recent Chasing Epic MTB trip to Sun Valley, Idaho, and discuss some innovative brands that we recently brought on board before jumping into an impressive array of listener questions ranging from the best suspension oil to use with your spaghetti to cockpit setup and MTB technology. Tune in!

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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 95 of the mtb podcast presented and

hosted by worldwide celery i mean cyclery cycly i i am jeff i'm jared and

i'm liam and today we are going to discuss some good stuff we're going to talk about a quick recap of our recent

epic mtb trip in sun valley idaho wow yeah it was good uh we're gonna

we're gonna talk quickly about four different boutique component brands that we are quite impressed with recently

making some really solid stuff and loads of listener questions covering topics from center lock versus six bolt

essentials to bring on your ride slash trip quick tips quick tips on how to pack your bike

when you're flying with it um what else is in here sandpaper is toilet paper sandpapers toilet paper um

cockpit setups broken spokes uh spaghetti suspension fluid suspension yeah there's

some good questions in here there's gonna there's gonna be no doubt some laughs and hopefully some valuable

mountain bike knowledge because that's kind of what we're trying to do today why are you looking at me so weird liam there's just a lot of stuff to cover so

we might not get all of it we're gonna get after it but we're gonna try there might even be some tears well

uh just let's uh let's play a sound effect and go on with our lives dj green goblin

play sound effect

like we should just leave that all right yes sun valley idaho oh gosh so we went there with chasing epic which is a

friend of ours steve moak and he runs this company they do fully supported fully guided fully inclusive mountain

bike trips all inclusive guided mountain bike trips is that the tagline i don't know it sounds good

though yeah they're good uh we've been doing sort of collaboration trips with chasing epic for several years now we've

talked about them on the podcast they're always a good time they're always tiring we always write a lot yeah and we cover

a lot of elevation and a lot of miles and they're just they're just good excursions and sun valley is the first

time we've ever been to sun valley all three of us and first time we went there with chasing epic which was rad because

they've been going there for four or five years i think so of course they had like the whole trip dialed in the best

trails the best stuff figured out and i was impressed were you impressed oh extremely impressed such a good time

yeah it was i'd love to go back already good time the trails there were pretty awesome yeah

yeah they really were so actually part of the reason why we ended up going to sun valley is because when we went to moab with chasing epic in october of

2020 yes it was kind of that weird phase of trips yeah um i thought moab was awesome but i

also thought uh that's just riding on piles of rocks on piles of rocks that are on top of like a major big larger

rock and was there rocks there so i said to steve i was like hey is there any more more

maybe like flowy we could go too and he's like sun valley and i said okay let's do it let's do that so so we

scheduled that one and it was flowy there was some of those trails were multi-use with dirt bikes

and some of them weren't some of them were i didn't ride any too many multi-use trails yeah we did so we did

one day right we saw dirt bikes kind of one day yeah uh but yeah some of those trails

were multi-use some weren't and all of them were definitely flowy it's not a super it's definitely not a rocky techy

place by any means right but it is unbelievably beautiful scenery and sort

of these high-speed you know flowy trails where you just feel like you're on a roller coaster

just weaving back and forth through wildflowers overlooking snow-capped mountains and it was cool there were

some highlights for you guys oh i mean i definitely think that last day for sure was

pretty awesome um i was gonna say the trails in general are really good because you can kind of

ride them close to full speed and blind yeah because yeah they have good visibility good

visibility which is great for a place that you kind of take a trip to exactly you can't have time to memorize these

trails so being able to kind of see around the corners a bit better can really allow you to sort of just open it

up and also be safe simultaneously no drops crazy rock gardens and stuff so you can just kind of like rip it and i

went off trail a few times you just go in the bushes and you keep going yeah so yeah well built trails definitely that

last day with the hero dirt was amazing um and that whole zone like the green horn imperial whatever you want to call

it that whole zone um that was for sure a huge highlight that was just an amazing amazing time i mean

that one downhill we did was like five or six miles that was like insane yeah there's there's some and it is well

built in the sense that the climbs are good they're not overly

annoyingly steep or hike-a-bikey or crazy technical they're they're manageable climbs that meander you kind

of at a nice pace up these big mountains and then you just have these killer flowy long downhills and yeah that last

day the evening before it had just poured rain so we just got flawless dirt and it

was it was tacky and really fun yeah yeah i enjoyed it yeah we loved it we ripped that first downhill

and it's like we're on a slot car track on single track like you could do no wrong and your tires

just gripped and yeah yeah it was that was so fun right left right left just hook it up perfect yeah it was so fun so

yeah needless to say i think we would all recommend it and everyone that also attended that trip was was pumped and

loved it and i'm glad because when i'm when i ask steve i want to go to a more flowy space you know people sometimes

are like ah it's you know i want to ride jank and tech and yeah i mean you like riding a lot of that stuff right yeah i

do liked moab i didn't i didn't get to go on that mob trip no i know but you've been oh i've

been there yeah i do like like moab i like janky and stuff like that but yeah you're right just beats you up and like

there's definitely something to be said for how flowy and just like you know it was just you could like liam said you

could write a blind and you could just kind of send it without worrying like just wrecking your face yeah and like uh

the scenery was just unreal too i mean yeah i was just like pinching myself the whole time yeah it's like a dreamland yeah that was cool

yeah that was a good trip so anyways we recommend sun valley idaho uh we stayed in little town there which was great

cool little place beautiful pretty high end felt a little uh a little bougie at times

we were in like the resort sun valley like flying on your private jet then who are you really yeah

right but no it was a nice beautiful world town just right by ketchum was the larger town that was right there yeah i

didn't know that sun valley was teeny and ketchum is like the real town yeah because they just said sun valley but

like really you're doing most of the stuff in ketchup

yeah yeah yeah yeah cool cool little shops and scene and bars and

what was the brewery went to left hand lefties no the bar yeah i guess

scrumpies

yeah it was it was really good i enjoyed that those chasing epic trips are a ton of fun so fun and uh by the way jared

liam thank you guys for joining that trip and helping out like you guys actually do a lot of that work i kind of

just go and hang out and talk to people and i mean we all have fun but liam appreciate you building and collapsing

the bikes and all that sort of stuff taking them out of the packs and jared getting some good content got a little bit on instagram there's more up there

soon enough but yeah i think i think we're uh we're a good trifecta on those trips i think so yeah if only we could

have huge groups you know i mean i think there was 12 people they're pretty small those trips yeah we pretty much when we

do these collaboration trips we send out one email about it and its spots are sold in an hour usually so um pay

attention to our emails emails if you ever want to go on one with us that's right we got one more in september in durango which is already sold out with

people on the waitlist but we will be doing more next year i'm thinking rebel stoke next year what do you think i'm all in for

rebels i have no idea it's going to work i haven't even mentioned that to steve so don't quote me on it pretty sure he's

been doing a rebel stoke trip yeah there's a heli drop in there and that'd be sick oh my god yeah wow yeah yeah i'm

pretty in 100 down for that like squam measure or something like that yeah anyway you just started squamish yeah yeah now

that canadian is a little bit more open yeah that would be fun to do 100 nice well things to look forward to oh

yeah speaking of mountain bikes since that's what we talk about mike podcast

podcast uh four four different boutique component brands i just want to mention these because these these brands have

been running through the shop a lot lately and catching my eye i mean i'll i'll be honest a lot of brands are not

doing anything that makes me go oh wow i'm interested or i want that on my bike i've just been a little bored lately

not a lot of new stuff has come out the last couple years from any brand but these particular four brands i've been coming out with some pretty cool new

stuff so to start bird b-e-r-d we did a youtube video about their very unique spokes made out

of uh ultra high molecular weight polyethylene

yeah thank you um so yeah it's it's uh what would you call that it's kind of

like a chinese finger trap style woven it's it's hard to explain it's a high

molecular ultra high what is it it's basically like a you

know synthetic material that is yeah uh what is it half the weight of a traditional steel spoke or something

like that yeah and but it floats on water and it's twice the strength i don't even know yeah some crazy stuff like that it was wild but those wheels

showed up i don't know was that a couple years ago yeah we got a test set of those wheels and we all wrote and we're like holy [ __ ] these are awesome super

impressive yeah they were cool but so they they just came out with a rim

a carbon rim 27 mil internal yeah 27 internal 18 mil deep which

they claim is the shallowest you can make a double wall rim so and i made that in collaboration with

we are one yeah cam loops yeah yeah we so where one

makes the carbon rim for them and then you got the bird spokes and then the i9 hub in the middle so it's a

nice package north american wheel set jeff actually rode those in sun valley yeah i wrote them that whole trip they

were sweet yeah they were yeah i was really impressed with those wheels so sweet took him off my bike and i don't

have them now he's not taking him off his bike he's gonna sometimes that's how these

test wheels go it's like hey once you guys you know create content these wheels test these out and then it's like well i'm gonna just take these like

i have to pry them from my cool deadhead they were good i just really like those wheels cause that that uh i mean the rim

worked great but they're spokes i just like their spokes just makes your bike feel quiet and have this sort of dampened

feel to it and super light in terms of spinning up to speed and i just really enjoy

riding those and i think i might be totally hooked on those spokes for quite some time to come so anyways if you haven't checked it out uh just hit

youtube type in berdspokes and you will find probably our video and a number of others so you can see what these things

look like they're definitely unique and on the topic of unique 5dev um so

yeah the letter 5 dev did we talk about this brand on the last podcast i feel like we've talked about them at some point i don't know if we did i don't

think so but you went there right you went to the headquarter hq in san diego right yep yeah so i we're we were

talking a bit and i was like well i'm going to be down in san diego so what if i stopped by

will and chris and andrew showed me around and uh crazy facilities so five dev is a

branch of fifth axis which is a very very large machine shop

um that makes all kinds of uh contract work and like

machine parts for other machine shops so they're like the machine shop machine

shop wow um so they do all kinds of stuff but they're all mountain bikers uh or a lot of them are mountain bikers

there so they wanted to make five dev products and um during covid they kind of sparked the

project up and made some super unique looking cranks with holes in them um nico malali's racing on those right

now so might have seen them there um but yeah it's cool to see their facility they're just

complete you know machine nerds and they love what they're doing and it's cool to

just see them make bike parks kind of for fun because yeah cause they're just highly passionate mountain bikers and they're really good at what they do so

probably quite over qualified to be making mountain bike parts i'd say you can tell when you look at the stuff i mean it's just kind of jaw-dropping how

how premium it looks yeah um and the price point is also premium but you know that's for sure give what you pay for

but i mean it made it in california in comparison yeah for maine california

parts they're not too much more than some other machine parts but these are drinks and stuff these are cranks pedals

and a stem that you put on your bike and they look totally unique totally unique

especially the cranks yeah i mean you have those you had those cranks with you on and in sun valley on your mondraker you know everyone asked about it yeah

man you can't you can't miss them you got them on your bike now i do and i love them yeah i mean it's the new

limited edition cash is that they call it cash and they are sick

yeah so yeah check them out that's a brand worth paying attention to and just taking a look at in terms of you know i

don't know what you'd call these they're lesser known i guess they're slightly lesser known in this in this game of like big dog brands boutique brand

boutiques i feel like five dev just came out of nowhere and we're just making these sort of jaw dropping parts right

away i mean they kind of did that was kind of cool yeah yeah they're killing it's pretty rad they're sick they make

good stuff yeah yeah it's really impressive so the letter five dev type that into the google machine

uh next up deliam gallium

that's how we've been saying that so their whole thought process is to just make high quality mountain bike tires

that are not crazy expensive right yeah the tires are starting to get 35 that's

what i'll say for them i mean they probably have their own messaging but yeah that's that's what we're taking away from this they uh and you had those

on that forest all right yeah your current forest all right yeah i have them on the forest store i've have on

both the forestall test bikes that we have um i ran them on my uh rebel ranger for

a bit they're really cool um like they work really well they start at

35 dollars and i think they go up to 55. five to fifty five dollars so that's literally basically half or less than

half the price of a lot of other yes yeah mountain bike tire brands pretty much the top two brands are double that

price so yep um yeah i mean for the for being half the price they're definitely more than half

as good yeah i'd say they're oh yeah they're very very comparable to a lot of other tires on the market for sure

yeah so in terms of just traction and specs and durability and i mean it's impressive what they're doing i'm a

little perplexed on how it's possible to be honest but yeah let's let's let it rip and i mean

so if you're someone who is uh tired of spending more money on a mountain bike tired

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tired of the tire punch of expensive tires yeah you're tired of expensive tires yeah

looking to deal you can't just drop something like that next time i didn't even notice that to be honest

i am kind of tired yeah i came in last night at one of him i am tired talking about tires

oh this could go on all day i will say the deliams i think are great for bikes you ride a lot

um well e-bikes um because you wear them out quick so yeah yeah if you're wearing

out tires and you know had enough of spending close to 100 bucks every time on a tire then

and knock on wood but i have not flattened them on an e-bike uh riding it really hard so yeah

i mean in all of our experience and testing these things have held up incredibly well just as good as tires twice the price and they grip it really

really well yeah i mean the compound is legit yeah so yeah another brand that is uh

kind of making me go oh whoa what's going on what's going on oh is this is that funny to you is it funny

it is funny and the last the last brand making me go oh oh whoa what's going on oh chain oh

change i see that these guys are gonna listen to that and be like why did they do that too why did

they say our name like that oh chain

so uh o chain is complex at one point we had niko malali on the podcast we talked

a lot about high pivot suspension design mountain bikes and kind of the overarching philosophy of why those

bikes exist and how you know high pivot can help prevent the sort of you know

pedal kick back and input from your chain as your suspension cycles through it and o-chain is trying to solve that

problem regardless of what frame design you have by putting a how would you describe it

they have it's all in the spider of the of the yeah it's a elastomer it's a little hard to

explain without customers because not even a picture does it justice let alone audio people need to

watch a video of the scene it's an active spider they call it so essentially your chain ring

uh is almost floating to your crank slightly i think they have a three six and nine

degree version you can just swap out the elastomers inside okay and essentially as your suspension moves you get a

little bit of uh basically free play in your cranks to allow

for what they call chainless feelings so they're really inspired actually by nico moonlawley and then by aaron gwen's famous

chainless run in leo gang um nico malali also wrote a fourth place chainless run at world champs one year

in the haffiel wow um and then gwen won a race without a chain

um so they looked into that and they realized that the initial part of your travel is often

dictated by the tension on your chain on your suspension so they made something to try

to eliminate that so yeah i can really change the feeling of your bike yeah um but yeah that's that's another product

that's just though totally new and did not exist and and very interesting and intriguing and

if you want to learn more about high pivot in general and get kind of into the weeds of suspension kinematics check

out our podcast episode with nico which was episode what you have no idea 92 maybe not

i don't know um yeah just just scroll back in the mtv podcast episodes and 91

91 like okay cool yeah yeah we uh we interviewed nico and get into the weeds of suspension and

um in particular high pivot yeah suspension designs and pedal kickback and chain

input and all that sort of stuff so yeah pretty cool stuff another another interesting brand that's actually doing stuff that's uh surprising and different

and just fun to pay attention to which i really like one of the things i will always love about the mountain bike industry that i hope never dies is

boutique brands challenging big dogs innovating coming up with new stuff and making premium level product that is

just as good as the big dogs like i think that's pretty rare it doesn't happen in a lot of industries and i really like that it's alive and well in

the mountain bike world yeah and our first batch we brought in completely sold out yeah like without any

advertising or any mention or anything so it's crazy uh people are loving it yeah people are really curious on on

that well let's jump into our listener questions uh starting off with uh with a little

humor here very interesting this is a great question uh why don't you read that one jared jeff

would you use sans to expect it towards me well i'm gonna have you answer it first

jeff would you use sandpaper as toilet paper for the entire day for 100

well i think there's a lot of variables involved in this because um one

uh you might not even poop that day so that could be totally worth a hundred bucks two what grit sandpaper there's a

thousand grit sandpapers that are nearly like regular paper uh also how are you

forced to use it very thoroughly like how much pressure you required to use because if you just kind of grazed

sort of some of the dingleberries i think that's up to you man i think it's uh whatever level of cleanliness you

feel comfortable just for one day for the entire day so it could be like

it could be a bad day uh so you know let's just say it's a

relatively smooth grit and i assume you're not allowed to use bidets well he did not specify yeah there's a

lot of terms and conditions that need to be written to this contract yeah jeff makes every competition unfun

that's what happens when you're the son of a lawyer i don't know um i'll answer i would say

it has to be at least a thousand dollars i mean because i'm gonna have to spend some of that on the doctor's visit afterwards yeah a wise man once told me

never skimp on your own arse and uh seriously yeah

so uh yeah british too i'm gonna skip that i'm gonna skip that hundred man i don't need that 100.

jeff was thinking about it though again variables speak speaking of variables speaking of

variables pros and cons pros and cons of centerlock versus six bolt rotors

i thought this was cool because when we went to sun valley and i'd noticed liam took off the rotors

of all the bikes when he put them in the evoc bags yeah and i was like oh i'm surprised you did that because i never do that because i realize the amount of

time it takes to take a rotor on and off versus how often it gets bent i mean you probably got a one in four chance of

bending a rotor and usually it's not bad enough and you can just bend it right back and that's just easier to do than waste the time to

take two rotors off of your bike without a six bolt unless then they were center lock which are incredibly faster how

much faster we should have a percentage like a hundred percent five hundred percent faster yeah i don't know how much maybe six hundred percent

faster if without a power i don't i don't know yeah i was gonna say i don't know the last time i did six bolts without a power tool yeah so oh that's

true that's a long time that's true we don't have anything however you can here's a pro and con thing

uh a t25 is really small like the tool is literally gonna be tiny sit in the palm of your hand there's a center lock

tool it's huge it's huge or it's a bottom bracket tool or one of those big wrenches right yeah and what do you even do if you're out on a ride and thing

comes loose you're screwed right which is rare but you're pretty screwed because like yeah i've thought about that i mean wolf tooth does have like

the pack tool but it's basically a bottom bracket tool you're carrying with you um but to me that is the major con of

center lock is if it comes loose on a ride which you know maybe happens if once a blue moon you probably don't have the tool which

actually happened to me once i was on a ride and i was like what's up with my brakes this crazy noise is going on and

um yeah the center lock rotor came loose and i figured out when i got it back i will say i have seen

not a ton but maybe close to a dozen center lock rotors come loose in my life yeah and i think i've maybe seen one six

bullet router right come loose so yeah there you go but it happens a lot less now that actually when centerlock was first

introduced and they didn't have that little ring on there in order they ever put loctite on it was like that was more common for those things to come yeah and

i think it's one of those things too like it's your first couple rides stuff

loosens up and then that's when it's going to come loose you tighten it up second time yeah you're good to go like it's not

coming loose you know yep um yeah i think last year i made the switch to

two of my bikes being centerlock because i went to whistler and i talked with a realtor um on the

flight there and it took me like two hours to get it back to rideable shape wow and that's

because it was in the bag on the wheel it was in the bag and sometimes they just threw it on yeah yeah it's

like visibly just like warped oh yeah so i made center lock and i've taken

them off ever since and to be honest our bikes are going to be over 50 pounds anyway so we took them off and put them

in their bags so yeah yeah i mean when you're traveling center rock makes a lot more sense yeah that's

a good pro yeah but if you're not then i mean who cares yeah shimano makes their higher end rotors in center lock only

that's weird so that could be a pro yeah if you're if you're a shimano guy if that's your thing yeah if that's your

thing um is there a weight difference very small

negligible it must not be much of one because otherwise i wouldn't know yeah

you just brought it up jessica make me turn his wheels you're screwed

oh man yeah especially with titanium rotor bolts yeah i know especially titanium i mean alloy

center lock rotor lock ring yeah super light all right well bust out the scale bust

out the scale all right next question that starts out with this isn't a question but for a week i

thought your website was called worldwide celery and funny story jeff did

earlier this podcast funny story one one customer one time had taken our

logo and this this guy must have been a graphic designer and he actually changed the colors to some nice green hues

instead of the colors it currently is and made it worldwide celery and the l's had sort of bushels of celery coming off

the top of them and isn't there like a guy like with the celica yeah like one of these one of the elves had with the

bushels on the top had a smiling celery face and i don't think you ever saw this you never saw the world like hillary

clinton i think so no well it might be in the drive or something i'll show you yeah i got a i got a video message from

zach at probably 12 30 at night and i was like why am i getting he's he's just at home

answering customer support emails just for fun just because that's what he does that must have been pique covered

and sounds like something everyone was pretty bored uh and then i click on the video and i just hear him laughing and

he's like videoing the screen of his computer with this worldwide salary logo ridiculous i thought it was funny yeah i

don't even know if cyclery is a word i think when i made up the name of the business uh i

was 21 and it was just like made sense to me i called it cyclery because i used to go to this place called the bakery

the new york bakery well that's made in pennsylvania yeah that's made up too but i was like oh biglery cyclery and then

yeah it's just a terrible name but i've heard of other places like there used to be west like cyclohe yeah cyclery is i think it's sort of a term in uh in the

bicycle industry or motorcycle industry whatever but maybe not google does underline it as red

yeah yeah yeah eventually it'll probably be a word just like you know it doesn't make it you know

burglary you know or like irregardless which is now word everybody used it it's wrong another

funny story i told about our too long name that i don't even really like was uh was when i when i was creating the

original paypal account for worldwide cyclery uh i i was on the phone with the guy registering the thing and and he's

like oh business name and i said worldwide cyclery and he said worldwide he says is that one word and i said i don't know

do you and i'm not not good at grammar uh more of a

math guy and and he goes i i think it's one and i said okay

and then and then luckily turns out it worldwide was one word and not two words um so anyways that's why it's just wc

and not wwc but wc is also like water closet which is a bathroom in most places of the world

yeah anyways i don't know who knows you know what you you want to talk smack about it you try to name a business yeah

see how easy that is and see how original you can see how original you can be yeah get the domain or get it

mark pal get make sure there's no one ranking already on google for those terms like good luck naming a business

is hard yeah get back to what's happening i did a mediocre job no it's not about the name it's about

the quality of the business it's a great name don't be so hard on yourself yeah i mean oh well

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welcome back [Laughter] when it comes to picking an efficient

tire for your bike okay oh [ __ ] would you rather have a

one lightweight and slow rolling tread pattern or a two heavy weight and fast rolling tread

pattern which combo would give you the best efficiency how much does each character is to contribute to rolling

resistance this is kind of uh we could we could go deep in the weeds

on this one but but i think uh liam's i'm just gonna say off the bat it's really hard to have a lightweight

and slow rolling pattern it doesn't really exist because why would a tire company make something

like that yeah it's like you have a slow rolling pattern with a lot of traction but yet it's a super lightweight it just

like doesn't yeah this would be a little bit more common to have a heavyweight fast rolling pattern which would be like just

a crazy bulletproof city commuter tire or like a double down ss

oh what are you even about plus bike tires when those were popular 2.8 recon that was a thing that was a that was a

heavy tire with a fast tread pattern but yeah that kind of thing exists but it's kind of hard to have either of

these yeah it is a little bit weird and the other thing too is you you don't want to

when it comes to picking tires you're not there's not just one thing that matters you're not just only worried about rolling resistance uh rolling

resistance may matter depending on your use case more important if you're on the xc side of things a lot less important

if you're on the downhill side of things and you're looking for pure traction and durability so

here's my solution one time we made a video and liam wrote an article to accompany

the video and it covered all of our absolute favorite maxis tire

combos so and and uh basically we categorized it from

uh kind of xc so sort of lightweight less traction faster rolling

and then all the way up to heavier more durable way better traction

and everything in between and made it really simple by just telling you literally the combo for each like each

end of that spectrum and everywhere in between and uh and just broke it down in a video

on youtube and in this nice article and had these nice little graphs and it kind of helps better explain hey if your use

case is x or it's y or anywhere in between these are some popular maxes tire combos that you'd want to put this

one on your front and this one on your rear and there you go it puts it into a nice digestible form there you go yeah

it's a massive blog too so go check it out yes maybe just google something like worldwide cyclery max's tire combos and

you'll you'll stumble upon that article with that which has a video right on the top of it yep so i think there's a lot of graphs in there too showing like

rolling resistance and grip and kind of all that stuff yeah yeah yeah cause you are to some extent you

know at the man the tire manufacturer's whim and like kind of this question started out with which is like no tire

manufacturer is going to make something with crazy traction that has slow rolling resistance that's

also extremely lightweight yeah it just doesn't really make sense or it's like impossible like right the taller knobs

it's definitely harder it's not impossible but just be like nobody would buy it yeah you'd have a paper thin

sidewall meant for xc but with acid guy knobs like yeah it would be except for a 90 pound person

who wants really lightweight tires and a lot of traction yeah right and won't destroy them because they weigh 90 pounds and ride gently

on smooth tray but then you could feel like an exo like a dissector in the recon well that's the combo i wrote about dude

yeah oh it's in there well howdy then yeah tires man it never ends it never ends

we've made a lot of content on tires so check out our youtube videos um we've put in a lot of effort over the years to explain the mystery of tire choice for

your mountain bike to get just what you want for your particular use case next question do you would like to read that one well i was going to say speaking of

mysteries is it tough to jeffer to not ride this time of year

waiting for birds to hatch in his hair nest it's

i've always thought my uh hair kind of looks like a bird's nest it has like a weird swirl and it's also

kind of the same color as twigs totally the same color as in this yeah yeah like where this calic is in the back there's

one right there i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna extend this question yes if you could pick a bird to hatch in your hair what

would it be um canadian blue jay yeah yeah they're beautiful okay wow oh like

a toronto guy's gonna say magpie yeah we just saw these magpies black and white beautiful birds and those were very good

they're kind of like whoa look at that they're kind of aggressive and intelligent birds too could kind of jack you up dude you sure about that oh if i

was a pirate i could have a bird in my head and magpie you know like some of those people have monkeys on

their shoulders or a parrot on their shoulder i would have a magpie in the cowlick of the top right that'd be sweet we could go capture one of those parrots

in sycamore and you know you could keep it it's a good idea all right i need a haircut actually i have a haircut nice thursday i'll cut it

for you dude no way too particular weird problems for me

what is your favorite zack weaver story that is pg pg for the pod liam has a great one well

yeah let's start with zach weaver is our customer service uh guru here at

worldwide yeah he's got he's one of the best legends one of the best times if you email in and ask any various

questions whether it's technical or complicated or simple and easy zack amongst several other people are

really good and qualified and he's he's one of the qualified people but he is also charismatic and funny and

interesting and uh something that we like to talk about because he's just a fun dude yeah yeah like also larry's the highlight of gets

into gets himself into some situations yeah um but once

yeah one one that's pg for the pod uh zach and i and various other people shop

like to ride early before work um we're going out early i remember it's like almost dark so it must have been

winter and he we just got a bunch of chainrings from absolute black to try out so

zach uh threw it on his own bike he's also kind of known for not being the best

mechanic on his own stuff so he threw this chainring on his own bike and he's warming up kind of from

the shop i think he's like pumping up my tires or something he goes whoa man this oval chainring feels weird

and he's like pedaling it around and uh he pulls up and his cranks on his bike

are not at like 12 and six they're instead at like two and six

so they're not just because this the spindle right yeah one one one knots wrecked on the spindle and the cranks

are not pointing away from each other exactly they weren't even they're one notch off so the oval didn't feel weird his pedals

felt weird because they were off they couldn't go flat and i'm pretty sure i have a old old video somewhere on my

phone of me like asking him what's wrong with his bike and it's pretty hilarious so needless to say i had to quickly fix it

before he went on a ride yeah but that that's a great pg one for that's a classic story that he will never live

down no never and uh it hilarious yeah everyone has those classic stories where they've

made some mistakes working on their bike i'm sure we won't bring up any of your recent ones jerry what like the rotor

one but that is just stupid all four no that's just brake adapters are a

nightmare regardless of how advanced you are fork but uh post mount should be standardized that's just mine all we can

say is uh if you're ever installing your own rotors brakes brake adapters really

make sure you're paying close attention that the rotor has the correct contact with the pad yeah because if not you

don't have the wrong adapter you know things like that the brakes might not work well yeah yeah if you don't do that

right i'm gonna ask the story after this pod which leads us to our next question

what are your essentials you bring on a ride or a trip excluding things like water and snacks

this is a great one well i think we can nail the you need something to fix a flat tire

yeah like a spare tube and yeah there was actually a lot of recent debate in well i wouldn't say debate but a lot of

kind of agreement that people are carrying pumps now just small hand pumps rather than co2 co2s are losing

popularity because they're finicky they're sometimes unreliable they're bad for the environment

i don't know you know you gotta you gotta replace them you go out and ride you get a flat tire use a c or two two

weeks later you go on another ride you get a flat tire and you go oh i used my co2 two weeks ago yeah you didn't replace it so

that's the great thing about a hand pump is it doesn't go bad you can just bust it out again and it still works yeah so

a lot of people are using hand pumps instead of co2 i always kind of cool down a hand pump for back country rides

road or mountain bike um i'm a big fan of tire plugs

be it stands darts dynaplugs or even just bacon strips but you carry a tube also right i mean i

carry like i always light weight i also have a tibialis most expensive tube that hopefully you

never use that should be their slogan shouldn't it the most expensive tube that hopefully some people do run them

as like they're in their tires all the time yeah it's like they're lighter than ceiling i guess and

i don't know but i wouldn't want to do that yeah i've i've used them and and then folded them back up and put them

back on the bike they're not like a one-time use yeah that's true um yeah yeah

valid points right those are good um yeah so something to fix a flat tire or various things to fix that tire like we

mentioned yeah breakers from your multi-tool multi-tools obviously um make sure whatever master link you have is the

same amount of speeds that you're using on your drive frame yes i.e if you've got a 12-speed drive train that's made

by sram have a sram 12-speed master link if you have an 11-speed frame drivetrain have an 11-speed spring master link so

yeah just make sure you don't mess that one up uh you want a tire lever at least one at least one

that's good to have you know um yeah zip ties you told me these are always good to have always carries

zip ties and even like a little bit of electrical tape always good you never know whether it's

for your bike or for your body yeah i always carry teepee wow that's seriously yeah

totally not sandpaper but tp yeah first aid is good if you're you know in backcountry i guess

yeah take extra stuff the further you're going uh what else i mean

i always carry a derailleur cable yeah i was going to say the cable yeah which is unnecessary with access but in that case

battery i always carry access battery yeah now because me and all my friends

have access and i've used it i've actually had to pull out of my kit like probably three times and give it to

buddy so wow yeah really in handy yeah yeah that's that's the case and the nice

thing is you can just trade it to them and take theirs that's true you charge it and you charge it it's all the same like yours is mine

that's true yeah that's nice that is nice oh multi-tool of course yeah brothers

your m17 that's what i have yeah crankbrothers interesting craig doesn't make a lot of good ones

yeah i forget about kind of this stuff because i got one up on my steer turbolito bolted on my bike

yeah yeah one up makes their edc which has a whole bunch of tools sort of neatly

packed into your steer tube i'm i'm gonna go for my uh

type of skin complexion i always bring uh sunscreen sunscreen chapstick and

sunscreen for my nose that's smart yeah for the big ride you should probably do that too

um yeah wow i think that's i think pretty solid i think we did it maybe a water filter if you're on the

side freeze yeah definitely not the one that i had on that trip because it did not work yeah well

how much water filter that you have tested yeah exactly yeah you don't want a brand new

one that maybe was too dry or expired or whatever so yeah yeah test your water cookers dryer because yeah i'm gonna be

messing with that one that you can rely on mm-hmm yeah i think we pretty much got that one dialed yeah yeah not rocket

science there a lot of good youtube videos on that yeah yeah uh what's next

liam you want to read this one yeah what is the coolest animal you have come face to face with in the wild wow

i got i got two for this i'll go first i mean off the top of my head um

probably bobcat and sycamore not super exciting i mean well honestly no probably moose in the jackson hole i guess those things

are super cool the moose was really cool they're huge and scary how close were you um

40 feet 50 feet it kind of started coming toward us a little bit so i got probably that close to moose and park

city yeah yeah they're cool probably moose what about you jeff 700 pounds silverback gorilla in the

wild african jungle in southwestern uganda i had a feeling how about that answer

yeah catch me outside yeah yours is a moose also liam no oh what is it um wait

real quick do people ride mooses that'd be cool no i don't think you're not even canadians you know i'm i'm not don't

quote me on this but i'm pretty sure there are more moose attacks than shark attacks and bear attacks combined in the

upper 48 or something like that i believe they're right or actually in north america

yeah they're they're pretty aggressive animals and they're they're just they're heavy i mean they're like way as much as a car probably yeah and they'll just

trample you yeah uh probably yeah all the bison also gorgeous that's different but yeah oh

that's another one actually up there bison i saw a bison yellowstone all over the place that's cool yeah um i was hiking in ojai

once and came across a bear like wow pretty close uh and like the one time i was hiking on

this trail not riding it so don't ever hike bikes trails you ride your bikes on yeah um that one kind of

spooked me one of my favorite animals to see it's not i think it's the coolest though it's not like they didn't say the

gnarliest they said the coolest yeah i love when i see horny toad lizards oh yeah those are because they're like

they fit if you ever pick one up they're like three inches big and you look really close and they're like the

meanest little things are like three inches so you're like oh your little mean cutie thing

do you know they have a natural self-defense mechanism where their eye swells up with blood and then sprays at

you oh that's cool i've picked them up if you ever youtube i caught one and actually kept it as a

pet and uh my mom of course this is what you do when you're a kid you you find a horny toad and you're really proud and

you bring it home and then your mom has to take care of it because you're irresponsible little kid um and my mom

would buy ants online because they eat harvester ants and so we learned a bunch about them and yeah it's pretty cool

yeah do a little youtubing on on horny toads which are technically horned lizards but they got that that eye that's fills with blood and then it'll

like spray at a coyote wow yeah those are cool animals yeah they're cool they look like mini bearded dragons but like

if you look at it it's a very southwest thing i don't know if they have those elsewhere yeah i don't know desert type of thing if you look at a photo on you

on google like whoa this is kind of a mean looking lizard and then like you see there's a mini dinosaur yeah you see the real size of it and you're like oh

no it's three inches big it's not right it's cute though yeah

all right which mountain bike technology axis e-bikes etc where does it go from

here oh that's supposed to say with with mtv technology such as

access e-bikes et cetera where does it go from here live valve oh yeah live light attendant flight attendant

is it called flight attendant or is it it's called flight attendant yeah or is it like what can i get you a drink or a

snack sir yeah cookies pretzels cookies freckles

freckles freckles it is fly to type for some reason i just like my brain thought of flight

attendant and i thought that just doesn't sound as glamorous as well i don't know army pilot or something cool

hit up rockshox naming convention yeah you do travel a lot so i mean it's not as glamorous

flight attendant um what yeah what's next jeff what do you think i don't know i i've we've talked about

this before on the podcast i think i think mountain bikes are at a bit of an innovation plateau i think it's pretty hard to make significant changes to make

a bike better from here i think we'll see a lot of incremental things which would be arguably negligible yeah

uh which again i mean you see things like fox live valve and flight attendant it doesn't really get much adoption because

or even the trust message fork yeah right a crazy linkage fork that arguably worked 10 better but cost 100 more than

a normal fork i mean there's there's a lot of this stuff that's just tough to say i mean i think a lot of the

technology and focus and innovation is going to be put into e-bikes and it's going to be put into e-bikes in the same

fashion that it's being putting into electric cars they're going to try and make e-bikes lighter more efficient more

powerful so you can have an e-bike i mean imagine having an e-bike that weighs the same amount as your current bike yeah but

goes 30 miles and can cover you know 10 000 feet of climbing on one charge yeah i mean that would be pretty wild yeah um

so who knows what if it pulled the power from your brakes or had regenerative braking right or solar or something yeah

so i think a lot of tech's going to be put into that which is obviously still on the electric side i mean suspension

most a lot of things are pretty tapped out i mean obviously we would all love to see the tire problem get solved and

tires still go flat not it's not a huge problem pretty good though now yeah it's pretty good it's one of those problems

that it's it's not problematic enough that people are just going crazy to solve it but it's just

annoying enough that it's just like well this would be nice if i never got a flat tire and i mean let's be real

whoever solves uh that problem that's gonna sell two sets of tires to everyone and be out of

business oh yeah that's the other problem then you've got this whole business situation going on here where you have planned obsolescence in your product and if you made tires that never

went flat and never wore out then you wouldn't only ever sell one or two yeah i'm gonna stick to my guns on this

one and i still want to see a really cool wireless gearbox that works well and has no quirks yeah yeah that's a

good point um which really i think ebike's a good platform that that could be combined in in the

future yeah i feel like yeah totally with the motor i mean it only makes sense that a transmission would be incorporated in

that whole system as opposed to a derailleur and then you can run a really strong like one of those track racing chains that

those guys just rip apart on the track like on a motor or something basically or almost like a dirt bike chain

yeah yeah i mean we've seen like i've seen one of those uh it's like a tire pressure integrated into your wheel like

you can change the tire pressure on the fly i mean yeah i don't know maybe something like that that's starting they but i was like um astronomically

expensive i mean i don't know how like yeah they were gonna start that we're going off the mountain mic podcast and

into other stuff but they're gonna use that in the perigroup bay this year for racing really essentially it's an extra

bladder that you know you start off with you know 50 psi and then you could actually

drain your tires to 35 psi and it fills a bladder up with that extra 15 psi wow

so you hit the rough terrain at lower pressure you could drop it boom you put it back to 50 for a

sprint and you don't have squishy tires wow that could be cool i don't think it's going to change mountain bikes but

yeah more on the gravel scene or something like that but i don't know yeah i don't i guess for a mountain bike

ride you just keep your tire pressure pretty consistent yep yeah i would like to see like you said liam gearbox stuff because even riding i

wrote a z-rod once and a gearbox bike i mean you have all the weight centered at the bottom bracket and no

weight off the back being your derailleur and cassette it's pretty amazing yeah the bike handles really well like feels good you don't

tear up derailleurs you don't have shifting issues um you can build a really strong rear wheel

because you can have a better uh spoke angle so there's there's definitely a lot of pros to it there's

just also a lot of cons to them so yeah currently so yeah yeah

a lot of stuff there a lot of spots on pack a lot to unpack lots of impact there you're gonna have to wait for that

one to play it out yep uh speaking of electronic things next question is do the heavier emtbs actually cause too

much damage to our favorite single tracks i feel like that's a our question that

people would debate over yeah it's such a hard thing though because me on a emtb

compared to i weigh 150 pounds i'm a light fella yeah you're compared to you know a normal 200 pound guy on a normal

bike like you're right yeah i don't know i don't know the weight on the ground still the similar yeah it's a very debatable

acceleration yeah but i mean e-bikes are not like you look at a dirt bike yeah it's just roosting dirt right and making

a rut yeah bikes don't do that no i'm gonna ride it at all trails in idaho yeah

they're not damaged even from dirt bikes yeah let alone an e-bike damaging that dirt right no i i think as a whole

e-bikes do not cause any more damage to dirt yeah um i'd i'd say it's more on

the rider like are you a skidder yeah doing stuff are you riding strava

lines and stuff like yeah that's going to cause more damage than cruising your e-bike around yeah

yeah a lot of it comes down to the speed you're riding that thing yeah yeah you're skidding like crazy yeah and you're right i mean i guess yeah if

you're a 300 pound guy riding an e-bike around then versus you riding a bike around or 250 whatever it is like yeah i

mean you know you are going to cause less damage yeah yeah there's a lot to unpack there as

well wow unpacking the damn interest like we're just unpacking everything tonight

yeah i don't know i don't want to go too much to the weeds on that one yeah no oh geez but yeah to i mean i guess not

really yeah next one jared read it is there a common way to

figure out how far apart your petals should be aka your q factor

yeah so well you added the aka your q factor i added that so q factor which we were talking earlier is really hard to

explain via audio so maybe just google that but essentially if you imagine

you know you're just you're coasting on your bike you look down at your feet and how far your right foot is from your

left foot is your q factor right so if you spread your legs wide that's a larger q factor and if you tighten them real tight it's a narrow cue factor it's

a decent way to explain it yeah i think the audio yeah you just got to google it if you stand with your feet together

that's essentially on the pedals it would be a narrow q factor so this

this is a lot more relevant on the road cycling side of things because you're sitting on that bike for

so much longer you're really concerned about comfort and power and what else yeah pretty much any muscle alignment

yeah yeah because you're sitting yeah your hips because you're sitting in that position and spinning those cranks

hours and hours on that yeah mike's much more dynamic yeah um same kind of reason

just you know quote unquote fitting a bike to you is so much more important on the road side of things versus the mountain bike side of things

but then yeah there's more more pieces on a mountain bike like boost spacing super boost spacing um

because there's not really that many choices i think at one point there was kind of choices for your q factor first early x

one day there was there was yeah and i think they reverted that because they realized like oh nobody really cares that much about this

like we just need to make it more compatible with more bikes because you could at some point buy ceramx x1 cranks

that had the narrower q factor that they offered and it wouldn't fit your bike if your pike was boost oh my god yeah it was it was not

not a good situation early one by day's choice doesn't shimano have different q factors they might on their own

their xtr might still like very eraser oriented yeah yeah stuff like you don't

have too much of a choice so you don't really hear about it much in the bike world you more hear about are these cranks compatible with boost or not and

that's what matters if your bike is boost or super boost you need to make sure your cranks are compatible with that and then there's the other thing

which i always have to build jeff special pedals because he wants the color of

the long spindle tank brothers mala e in the short spindle version

so i always have to get the colors he wants and then replace the spindle with a short spindle because he wants his

feet a little closer together well here's let me explain you have uh with your feet a little

closer together you do have more power um then you know obviously you imagine

you can't pedal it the wider you spread your legs right so so a little bit more power with the hip alignment and you

also have more clearance right so if you hitting you're hitting the side of your pedal or shoe as you're sort of going

through a rock garden or something like that or rut or whatever you have more clearance when your q factor is a little tighter

there's a pros and cons there right because you have less stability per se because if you have a wider stance you have a little more stability

but it's uh so what i like to do is i like to run the non-wide spindle version

of crank brothers pedals and then i take i adjust my cleats which will push my shoes as far outward from away from the

bottom bracket as possible that also helps with you know clipping out because your shoe

is further away from your crank arm so it's not going to bump into it and further away from your chain stay so it makes it easier to clip out

fy if you ever want to watch an 18 minute video about how to set up your crank brothers clipless pedals in ridiculous detail i did that on youtube

a long time ago uh but yeah so i run the regular the regular spindle crank brothers with my

cleats pushed so my my cleats adjusted so my feet are as far away as possible from the bottom bracket in order to

negate the shorter spindle [Laughter] don't make sense of this jared next

question because if i had the long spindle and my cleats adjusted to be essentially the

same spot then my shoes would be closer to the crank arm making it harder to clip in and out oh see

i don't know no it's not it's 100 no it's not you just put your cleat in the normal position and you had the longer

spindle your foot would be no no my shoes would be closer to the crest the shoes are closer to the cranks okay so i

rest my case yeah i just want to give you hard time

don't confuse the issue with the facts jared my goodness so i don't know i mean i i

guess the most important part of this is this matters a lot less for mountain biking than it does for road biking

um and you also don't really have too much of a choice for mountain bikes in general because it's

more cranks made for boost spacing or super boost spacing or non-boost spacing so yep well nice i guess it also depends

on if you're clipping it or not right i mean if you're running oh yeah this is like almost completely irrelevant if we're talking flat right which is 45 of

mountain bikers or more but there's also some flats i guess that have shorter spindle so basically whatever is more

comfortable for you right like that's really what it boils down to yeah a lot of the a lot of the

antithesis of all of these types of debates in the mountain bike world is whatever you're more comfortable with is

going to make you feel better on the bike and if you feel better on the bike you're going to ride it better and have a bigger smile and maximize your fun and

comfortability and it's all going to be happy days fun is what it's all about yeah exactly

so speaking of fun yeah i like i like this next question because it's fun for me all right you read it is it worth trying

different cockpit setups other than a stock setup yes absolutely yes

um it can be as easy as adjusting your stem height with spacers and you don't have

to buy anything um that's super good way to like see what

it does right raise it up raise it down how does it handle your uphill performance what i

mean by that is 20 millimeters of spacers below the stem

and nothing on top you could then move half of them on top and you won't have to do anything this is just a simple

adjustment you can do at home with no nothing required but a couple down wrenches or even one allen wrench and

you'd be surprised the difference that it makes just like swapping a 5ml or 10mm spacer from bottom to top i mean

it's wild yeah i think it's also it's not super expensive it's definitely

a cost but trying different alloy handlebar rises

to see which one you like you know your bike came with 25 try 35

and just kind of go around with that especially with alloy because it's a little bit more affordable to kind of pick and choose 50 dollar handlebars or

yeah easier to experiment with yeah even same with stem length i guess right yeah i mean for cheap stems like

um you know going from like a 40 or 50 ml stem to shorter like 30 something i mean

yeah huge difference roommate's sister was just here and she rode her bike and i've got her

set up with a 32 mil rockville stem and she was like blown away with how

much better a short stem handled compared to her 50 ml stem yeah so she like immediately was like i need a short

stem nice so i love a short stone yeah it makes a huge difference i mean i think it it does

you know years ago pretty much every bike came with a terrible cockpit it's true they all came

with stems that were too long and bars that were too narrow and these horrible grips and it was it was just a disaster

slowly over the years they've gotten better and better at least on the high-end stuff for sure however a lot of

mountain bikes that i still see even in the modern day that are probably below that maybe four thousand dollar price

point they're still coming with really kind of just lame you know the bars are too narrow the stem's too long the grips are

terrible so it's totally something worth looking into and upgrading and learning about and it makes a huge difference in

how your bike handles and therefore how you write it and how you know well you can ride it so it's it's a

relatively cheap way to make a major difference to how your bike handles by just messing with bar width bar rise stem length and good

quality grips yeah i mean she had a she has a yeti all yetis come with 50 ml stems no matter what they are that's

just what they spec um i personally always write a 40 and then she she's a smaller girl so like 50 ml

stem bringing back to 32 is a huge difference yeah now you know that's on the stock yeti like of course it's good to mess

with stock setup so yeah i think it's yeah i think you should yeah agreed 100 percent

and speaking of trying new things which suspension oil goes best with

spaghetti well i'm going to say wpl because it's all edible ooh

really yeah that's so edible the suspension oil is edible i don't i'm

pretty sure like everything they make is like food safe because it's made like well

pretty sure could be the difference between death or not that's at

it does have a lot of interesting details about being more environmentally friendly so you could eat it firebase can i put

it on my spaghetti i was thinking wpl whistler performance lubricants yeah i'm just going to say yeah just go ahead and

put any lubricant in your food on purpose yeah um but i mean that's no fun

i'm going to say i mean well i'll wait for you to to you know determine this

but i was going to say fox the what is it the the gold the gold yeah 15 weight gold i mean i would

rather put suspension oil on my spaghetti than tire sealant oh i feel like if i need that

it would just i would clog and it would get rubbery and nasty i would go with fox teflon 508 really fluid because i

want the teflon just to clean me out nothing's gonna stick it might actually

work as a laxative oh i bet you will do more than that

or as an agent of death or what's the red one isn't there a rockshox one that's red i'll be like close to

marinara sauces i can think of oh yeah there is one there is a red it's like a little shock oil yeah okay so there you

go shock oil uh it's red or the biodegradable non-toxic formula safe for mechanics and

the environment that's what it says on the side it's not so safe it does not say safe to eat

it doesn't say you can't though it's it seems significantly better for a number of reasons i mean part of

uh wpl's uh ethos is is more environmental friendly yeah

says greases premium bio-based formula made with natural ingredients we're getting closer we're getting closer

yeah um i'm just going to go and throw blanket statement out there don't eat it

thank you and uh yeah that's a nice legal disclaimer yeah but speaking of

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so this listener he broke a spoke and he's wondering how many spokes can you afford

to break before replacing them um i think he's trying to say how many

spokes can you break on your wheel before you should replace all of them

well no i just don't think in general i think what he's saying is how many spokes can i break before i

need to like replace the ones i broke but i think you just need to go replace

all this i think you need to just replace the one that you broke the answer to your your version of this

question is one yeah you break once if you break one single spoke your wheel has got one nice hell of a wobble and if

you continue to ride it it will just all completely deteriorate even if it doesn't have a crazy wobble you just

like the wheel is a system every spoke is a part in that system right one the system's now flawed the integrity the

whole thing yeah structural integrity has been compromised and will self-implode if you continue writing

even with one broken spoke so the answer is your question is one more disclaimer other

version which was the way i interpreted it is uh kind of the rules like if you break a

spokes fix it break a spoke fix it if you do that third time replace them all really

yeah or or consider if you're rotting a wheel that is just not durable enough for the type of riding weight um

broken spokes have become way less of a problem since through axles pre through axles back when everything was quick

release there was so much more flex going on that there was just a lot more broken spokes and it's not that big of

an issue on any wheels these days at least any higher quality wheels but if you keep breaking spokes you might want

to consider you know a how quality is the whole bike in general if it's good quality then maybe just upgrade the

wheels to something more higher end so you stop breaking spokes or if it's an older bike and you've got quick release axles there's kind of no way around it

maybe just consider saving up for a nicer bike that's got through axles yeah there's also more to it where is the

spoke braking there's always breaking up the hub or on that j bend it usually means you rode

your spokes too loose too often kind of like a paper clip where you bend it bend it bend and bend it and it snaps they're

just stainless steel spokes so they're going to snap yeah if you do that they break it the nipple like they might not

have enough threads engaged there's a lot more to it but yeah wheels wheels need maintenance yeah a lot of people overlook the maintenance that wheels

need in terms of just tension and truing and it's it's important stuff you know it's better and increasingly important

if you're riding the bike faster more aggressively or you're you know a heavier rider

yeah so pay attention to your wheel health seems reasonable seems reasonable

wheel health wheel wheel health meal health little huff and speaking of reasonable

i think that's it that's all for this one we should go home and eat some dinner that's right yep i would like to

see that it is currently 11 16 eastern time but we are actually on the west coast

later so it's only 8 16 but it is getting late it's past dinner time it's past dinner

time according to liam you shouldn't be having dinner past 7 30. that's if you go to bed around 10

you want two and a half hours to digest okay three and a half that's fair jiminy crickets go to bed late tonight yeah

jiminy crickets well guys you've made it this far in the podcast we genuinely love you for listening

and thank you we appreciate it we are going to continue to try and record more podcasts and also continue to try and deal with the disaster of my travel

schedule so we can get these things recorded thank you we love you we love you and

good night [Music]