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Upside Down Fox Fork, Tire Longevity, Suspension Puzzling & More... Ep. 155 [Podcast]
Today on the podcast, the guys discuss some epic recent rides, events and trips they've been getting into as well as some hot new products before jumping into some classic listener questions ranging from tire longevity to how we'd spend 10 million dollars in 24 hours and everything in between. Tune in!
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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 155 of the MTB podcast presented and
hosted by Worldwide Cyclingery Ketl Mountain Apparel and Trail One Components i am Jared i'm Liam and I am
Trevor and in this episode we are going to discuss some epic new stuff from
Shimano and Fox some sweet rides we events we've been getting into lately
plus some classic listener questions ranging from how we'd spend $10 million in 24 hours to tire longevity and
everything in between wow that's awesome $10 million in 24 hours and tire
longevity are the opposite thing that's right so that's complete opposite everything open to being questioned
zach's words of wisdom today you don't have to have talent to be consistent but
you do have to be consistent in order to succeed at anything in life
what do you guys think about that yes sir zach's been awfully consistent lately that's right and uh he's on the
running grind yeah well what it uh when you're consistent with your working out and running and becomes easier it's
awesome he is limping less it seems like you're right but he was limping for a while
when he got on this running grind and he's doing those big runs like 10 12 mile runs and I guess he's doing that
what is it a 50k 50k run in big bear in a few months October yeah that's going
to be gnarly but you know so he is being consistent and it is showing it's
showing off it pays off it does pay off it's worth it to be consistent like as you guys know you know you ride your
bike and like if you go out for a big ride and you're not consistent or whatever you go on a trip you go somewhere ride some Marley Trail you
haven't been riding you're like "Oh okay." Also like consistency also gives you confidence in your in your fitness ability too i did a ride on a big road
ride on Sunday and I was like "Oh this is going to be a pretty hard ride." And I just like you kind of like think back
to all the work you've put in the past couple months in consistency you're like "Oh I can do this actually it's all
good." You know for sure yeah yeah i mean uh consistency is key would you say Lamb yep yep i'd agree he'd agree he'd
also agree with Daniel's fun fact cats sleep an average of 15 hours per day i
don't know if I'd agree on that i don't know anything about cats i think my roommate's dog sleeps 15 hours a day but
yeah dogs are probably very similar yeah probably i looked this up actually just to confirm as we do with Daniel's fun
facts but we trust Daniel but it said that they actually go from 15 to 20 hours a day depending on if it's like a
younger cat or an older cat i feel like if the human is not home then they're sleeping oh yeah that's what that that's
actually exactly what it said Trevor it says they sleep in the quiet environment when the house is quiet and you know I'd have to say Bean is right up there with
those numbers dogs dogs are 12 to 14 it says on average okay that makes sense also dogs
are you know they go outside get their walks and guess what a horse sleeps per day uh 10 eight 2.9 it says 2.9 that's
what this says wow that's what the Google says that's actually shocking that is shocking do horses sleep
standing up right i don't know i'm pretty sure they do i think so but I'm not bothered they can't
fall over they can lay down they can lay down yeah yeah but uh I'm pretty sure they sleep standing up yeah i'm not a
horse guy i don't know i guess I'd only sleep 2.9 hours too if I didn't lay down
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all firing on all cylinders i would say like Aiden who is in the uh Pennsylvania
shop um just doing customer service over there and talked with this gentleman and yeah he had a ton of requests we changed
pretty much every part on the bike from a stock build and um we did it without any problems which is you know sometimes
there's issues with changing stuff around and there's always incompatibility and was this guy did the Shimano Mura probably he did a he did a
Shagura break on that and you know we just said yes and I've never I had never done that before and worked out i don't
think I would do that personally but it would it worked out and um yeah he was he was stoked and then yeah Zach
assisted him I believe up front and I was going to say I think you're right the the customerf facing side you know
and um yeah it was great it was cool to cool to cool to hear some positive feedback from him as well for sure 100%
and uh yeah I mean when somebody is is you know plopping down the cash to get a sick new bike you want the experience to
be top tier exactly yeah put yourself in their shoes like you're paying so much money for these ebikes you know they're
not cheap and you really want to have the best experience possible 100% well said well boys we have been riding some
pretty sweet bikes and going on some pretty sweet rides lately you guys just wrapped up a couple of epic ones in
particular we've been getting after it lately that's for sure yeah I've been pinned yeah well tell us about uh that
race you guys did the Great Descent is that Is that what it's called the Great Descent is what it's called yeah we did
it i did it last year trevor pre-rode most of it last year did not do the actual event um it's a gnarly one and I
would say my fitness is not where it was this year as it was last year um it
really surprising it really is a huge fitness test someone someone described it as a 30 mile enduro with a 20-m XC
race after it that's pretty accurate it's pretty accurate it's uh it's like
the endurance enduro yeah you pretty much you well overall you ascend you
climb 5,000 ft and descend 10,000 ft over 50 miles
which is for real and it's pretty much like back behind for people in LA at least they can be familiar with this
it's back behind Mount Wilson um the Silver Moccasin Trail is where it starts way back out off Highway 2 on the
Angelus Crest Deep in the St gabriel Mountains and it eventually we end up all the way in Burbank um so and over a
couple mountain ranges and mountains and um yeah it was cool yeah and then you hit a 1500T climb at like
mile 40 and it was about probably 80 85 degrees on that climb wasn't Wasn't cool
it wasn't cool the we had cloud cover kind of Well we were above the clouds at first and then dropped into the cloud
cover thinking it was going to be just this epic climb in in the shade or in the overcast and then the clouds burn
off immediately but then you're also wearing I we were wearing long sleeves
long pants because it was very overgrown actually just from pre-riding it to the
race they had cleared a huge section of it really nice pride was type two overgrown yeah this was still overgrown
and like still a lot of it was like really overgrown um but it was better it was better for sure but there was also a
ton of poison oak that was not touched deep in the the creek in the canyon so you're wearing long sleeves long pants
uh my no fry long sleeve got shredded geez like completely pled and you know
pulled apart um but I got no poison oak this time that's good so that's awesome uh but yeah I kind of blew up so um last year I
did really good i I did win it last year and this year I got fifth I think and went 18 minutes slower wow yeah we had
same course same exact course yeah we had a we had a super cool like we were starting in the first wave it was a big
group of us like me Liam Tyman who's a friend of the shop and then a couple of our friends and we uh yeah we were just
ripping um like pretty much KM pace like Tyman and Liam were king trails and
Tyman who was leading us out just went out hot dude i I knew I I looked down
like we were going fast and I like took a peek over my shoulder and we gapped like Trevor and I was like whoa we
gapped Trev like I don't gap Trev usually um we were peeking i was I was peing at least like right off the start
and you start like 5,000 ft so it's not like full elevation but your heart rate will go a little higher there and I look
down I don't know 15 20 minutes in on like one of the first little punchy climbs and I was 191 heart rate and I'm
like oh man this oh I don't know if this is good this might be bad and yeah ended
up being bad like Tidman dropped me pretty soon after that um this this kid Cash super fast fit kid he's a 19 just
did unbound um Oh he was faster than me on the climbs i was better than him on
the descents and but he didn't really know how to navigate where he was going like his Garmin wasn't working that well oh so he probably he probably would have
won he probably would have won if he knew like where to go confidently where to go but he was like waiting for me
like in parts and I was like Yeah i was like "What are you doing?" He goes "I don't know where to go." And I was like "All right well you go on this trail."
And I was like "Could I climb?" Like "You want to go in front?" He's like "No I'm good." I'm like "You're you're faster than me right now like I'm not
that fit to push up this climb like at the pace I know you can but yeah anyways we our wave of five riders went second
went third through seventh so only two people beat our entire wave and one was
Safa Brian who's basically I don't know if you call him a pro or influencer he's fit he's fit though his job is to ride a
bike that's what it is his job is to ride a bike so so yeah this guy Safrian and this other guy I forgot what his
name was but they were starting in a wave maybe two waves behind us or a wave behind us and so they were starting at
least 5 minutes or 10 minutes behind us and we get down to um it's a place called JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory and
and they I'm with my buddy we're riding and he passes us i didn't know Sappa was
even on the ride and he passes us i guess I'm like "Okay I guess we lost." You know we just got passed by someone
who started behind us um and then my buddy tried to follow them i'm like don't follow him trust me you can't keep
up with his pace and yeah honestly respect to those guys they they crushed it super fit and they weren't really
wearing the appropriate gear I would say no they probably got poison oak probably got poison o or they like spandex like short we had handguards on too and Oh
god that would be horrible yeah it's kind of next level to not run that stuff but uh they were more fit than us for
sure cuz we all kind of the last climb up the Verdugo Mountains we all died like Yeah tyman threw up liam was
bonking i I was bonking all of us like were cramping it was brutal it was It was war out there you know yeah i mean
that was like what 3 or 4 hours in at that point maybe i hit I hit the bottom at like 3:35 at the climb and you're not
really like stopping and I hit the bottom last year at 3:30 so I was only 5 minutes back to that point but then means I went 13 minutes slower up that
climb and fully self-supported you have all your own they They had two aid stations that I didn't stop at did you i
stopped and just filled up my bottle gotcha i didn't stop at all i was gonna say that's like a a a heavy pull for
having all your own stuff as well i mean yeah i mean I did have all my own stuff u mine was just like went out too hard a
little bit lack of that peak fitness um but yeah where I was going up Cherry Canyon the second and last climb and I
out of nowhere this is my thought okay Tideman in front he's winning cash is second he's second and then I'm third
cool i'll I'll putt this in you know like we'll be good keep going hard and
they caught me out of nowhere i didn't even see them coming and as soon as both of them caught past me I was like I'm
cruising my soft Yeah i was I was like "All right well I'm definitely off the podium no payout
and I'm just going to like soft pedal this one." And yeah I didn't really have anything up the last climb anyway so I
had to soft pedal in no matter what or else I would have cramped wow cool event though it's like lots of lots of stories
and uh it's kind of like an underground thing it's uh hosted by the guys who do the LA tourist race um and yeah it's
just a super cool event to be a part of they do cool stuff like entry is cheap they actually do pay out they have
prizes they have barbecue after aid station just like what a bike race should be without like someone trying to
make money off a bike race right yeah it's just like this is like a community event race not like a hey I quit my jobs
to put on two bike races a year so I'm going to charge you $350 for an entry fee do that it's like for the culture it's like all the gravel races or the
big races are like that right now like wow yeah they they do take a lot of planning i'm not like taking anything from that like permits and all that but
it's you know definitely no permits on this ride no and but but I feel like you
definitely get your money's worth like you get lunch there's beers like there's aid stations you know our our goodie bag
was as good or better than any other event that I do so that's awesome i love I love stuff like that yeah i mean props
to you guys for uh for crushing that i mean that's definitely it's definitely a legit ride you know yeah like the effort
was hard my average heart rate was 160 the whole time and my my peak was 194
actually yeah i think mine was 163 average and my threshold is 164 so almost average threshold for 4 and 1/2
hours you're just living in the pain cave you know but it's like you just you get past it and it's fun so yeah wow but
you just did another race this last weekend so that was that's two weekends in a row of some big crushing rides what
was what was this last weekend for you um I did lost and found gravel uh which
is up in the northern Sierra the Lost Sierra as some call it north of Tahoe uh
starts in this little town called Portola um yeah and there's a gravel race put on by Sierra Beach Trail
Stewardship which is the same people I put on Downeyville so like very cool very cool people um they know how to put
on event uh we helped out with Trail One so we uh supported their volunteer
effort and got them some prizes for that so that's right they said come up and race um or ride it's really kind of more
of a ride for my my uh distance or my fitness yeah what was the uh what were
the ride stats i did the full the full bull as they called it full bull full
bull 96 miles 8,000 ft of climbing o yeah did I say 96 milesi is that what I
said mhm yeah okay 96 mi 8,000 ft of climbing start at I think 4,500 ft at
5,000 ft elevation top out a little over seven um yeah and you're just in the Sierra the first half of the course was
sick like I was on a hard tail which uh in hindsight was not the correct bike
I should have been on but I really wanted to ride my sick new hard tail so um first half was like pretty up and
down i was making a bunch of time on the descents there's like a 3,000 foot gravel descent that I like probably made
up like 15 spots on like wow caught in caught a bunch of people um and then the
last half of the course was like I think so you did 8,000 feet of climbing i think I had like almost 6500
ft of climbing at mile 55 so the next 40 miles had what 1500 ft of climbing yeah
so the ratio is super front loaded then it was really flat and uh just rollers
and headwind for a long time and on a hard tail when everyone else is on a gravel bike is really demoralizing
yeah you're trying harder and going slower yeah it was uh definitely a bit of like uh some determination out there
i was by myself for like a long time 40 miles at least over 40
miles wow um but it was fun it was good it's hard uh definitely stacked the
fitness bank after these last two weekends and like I knowing having blown up a bit the weekend before I definitely
like backed it off a little bit and like I self dropped from the front group like pretty much immediately like on when the
road climb got steep before we even got to the dirt i was like I can't sustain this pace if I want to make it it's
going to be a long day yeah and then basically once I was by myself I was like kind of doing the math and I was
like all right I think I can do it under 7 hours so that was like just became my goal to do it under seven that's a long time to ride a bike um yeah so I did in
646 which it's fine nice i mean that's pretty good for uh almost a century bas
basically a century on a hard tail on a hard dirt oh jeez i feel like Yeah if
you're riding your bike longer than 5 hours it's pretty mental yeah it is it is just mental and just making sure you
eat like you know just shoving food down your throat like you don't really want to so you're just going to like you
start off with most of the food you need but like you get to a point where like uh gels sound absolutely horrible i
won't want to gag on this so like at any aid station anything looks good I just grab like two or three of them i was
like "All right those gummies I can put those down." Grab like two or three of those some Coke like you know cups of
Coke put that down for a bunch of sugars and carbs like wow but it was good i didn't cramp and like yeah it's a rat
event like we camped up there for two nights in Portola in the river so always a good little reset sick sick and that
first race came right on the heels of our Chasing Epic Whistler Sea to Sky
trip yeah which also probably didn't set me off the best having ridden trail bikes for eight days
i was wondering so yeah like Liam and Jared went to Whistler and then like yeah right like Liam landed and
immediately we went straight to the mountains to go to go camp up in the hills and after you guys had just ridden
the week in Whistler I'm like there's no way this guy's going to be fresh right now there's not a chance oh well you know if you're Liam you're like barely
pedaling all day you know on these chasing epic trails like I'm still still But still it's a lot of riding still but
I I think it was a combination of a lot of riding but also maybe not like enough
intense riding almost right so the legs almost got like a little lethargic um I
did do like two kind of mini efforts on Squamish on like Monday I think it was before so like try to get the heart rate
up and like put some power down for a bit but yeah I mean it and that's what it is like I'm not it's not my job i
just like to do fun events so yeah oh how was the uh see the sky it's unreal
man i think we timed it perfectly like it did so good the dirt was unreal um they had some solid rain like overnight
actually the second day second day we got there it was a pretty solid raintorm all day third day so we got up there
Thursday right yeah had rain that morning we did and like literally
started riding like 7:30 p.m cuz it stays light till like 9:30 did a Squamish pedal lap uh then the next day
we rode Whistler Bike Park all day all day we did 13 laps me and Jared like that'll smoke you no that was smoke you
yeah yeah and we didn't really have lunch we just kind of had like a pastry maybe and a coffee and we're like "All
right back at it." That's the move is was it lift coffee and Yeah get a cookie with some salt on it and a cappuccino
literally all we did and just back on it yeah 13 laps and then uh living yeah we
did like almost Yeah i think it might have been the first laps Dur Merchant was open for the year oh there you go the pro line wasn't open but the rest of
it was so no brake bumps no not much dude pretty good and a line was even
pretty cherry as well and those brake pumps are pretty savage and then it rained so good then it rained we just
worked all day on Saturday which was good cuz we had a bunch of stuff to get done and then um Yeah then we started
the Chasing Epic trip and we rode what whistler Squamish Peton Squamish
Whistler yep yep exactly kind of covered it all we did like two two rides in
Peton which was cool we did like was it the Rutherford yeah PhD yeah PhD and
Stash and uh that was super sick i forgot what that first trail was that was called um that off the very top oh
yeah this trail's pretty steep up there in steep like there's there's a lot of
slabs it kind of reminds me more of like Tahoe like there's a lot of slab but the slab is not like Squamish grippy slab
yeah it's kind of like you can you can lose your Yeah you can lose your rear wheel cuz they get a little bit of dust
on them and yeah they definitely don't have the same traction as much but man I can't remember that shasta yeah okay
shasta is what it's called i'll take your word for it and then we went and uh so we did a sig loop over there and then
we went over to um the main mountain yeah McKenzie maybe or
um and then we rode uh oh it was Rusty Trombone rusty Trombone they have the
best trail names out there they do like they they crush California with anywhere
really in the world it's the best name yeah we rode that that was sick i was telling Trevor about that trail we rode
in Squamish that was like a 1500t vertical descent like a mile or something yeah it was like 1.8 miles
1500 ft down and it was like 3 in of mud it was called Powers Smart it was on the shaded side of the mountain room for Air
or something like that yeah room for air and there was no room for air so it was it was a standard trail dude the top of
Powers Smart was like a river literally water water flowing in the trail i mean
Trevor and I rode Squamish in the pissing rain too so yeah you're familiar with that i understand it
it's it's different for sure it kind of works yeah it's different than you're just kind of power sliding like drifting
you're just like along for the ride dude you're not really in control but you can make it work the roots just scare me cuz
the roots are scary we just like us from California we don't know how to ride wet roots at all it's pretty pretty
horrifying actually and I mean a couple times they skipped out on like thankfully we weren't like at pace but like we would be like climbing or like
you know just like get back to the car and there'd be just like a one slick route and then just kick out the back end i can just never relax when I'm I
like to relax when I'm riding and I can never relax when it's kind of slippery i think that's the hard part though is you do have to relax you have to yeah like
that's how that's the key that's the only way you can ride them yeah fully focused yeah it was awesome another chasing epic trip that was great super
good crew we were riding black diamonds and what we had four three other riders
in our group mike Mike probably shouldn't have been riding black you mean the double the double blacks and we
had like everybody in the whole on the whole trip uh made it down like the In-N-Out slab which was dude 67year-old
uh Ray 67 years old and he rode down In-N-Out like it was so sick dude we
were all just like losing it dude so stoked but he was an absolute legend dude riding all the gnarliest stuff like
like dude this guy is like exactly my dad's age and my dad would never get anywhere near this stuff dude like
that's so crazy i mean I could only hope to be that sick when I'm 67 years old
that's cool but yeah that was that was it was super inspiring it was like his 15th Chasing Epic trip or something like that like this guy's living the life
dude he's like in Florida he's got the 10 and I'm like dude you're you're a vibe bro this is sick yeah it was a
great it was a great trip went off without that hit i mean Mike crashed eight times probably yeah we saw five bears it was a bet if we'd see more
bears or Mike crashing and Mike and Mike Mike lost formerly Big Mike formerly Big Mike there's an insane video of Mike
crashing on the Worldwide Cycling Instagram where his face almost gets annihilated go check that out if you
have not seen that go check the Instagram it's insane um but yeah it's it's pretty wild going up there and then
coming back and just being like "Oh man I wish we had sick trails like that." Yeah that's the whistler hangover yeah
it's very real it's real it's very real be careful too like you'll uh you'll come back and start riding your trails
here and like you might crash cuz you just so timid when I I came straight
back into literally I only rode my first ride back was on the Great Descent
racecent on Silver Mock so like straight from big bike to XC bike and like powdery backcountry style stuff but when
I came back from New Zealand a couple months ago first ride I did on my XC bike I just went in a corner like all
casual but confident pushed front wheel like 5t unclipped and like went fully off trail in no bush yeah yeah this is
like "Oh man i can't do this." Oh brutal the one of the one of the times I went to Whistler a long time ago I went and
rode JPL afterwards like right the day day I got back and I crashed and split my knee open oh I'm just like brutal
dang it dang it yep just come in with supreme confidence whistler it's just not the same thing no i mean literally
like in the bike park uh the the hero dirt it was like insane especially on the day there was unlimited grip we rode
on our own yeah like a-ine like those long corners yeah
ripping the tire off yeah literally literally we we're slow-moing like we took a clip of each other and slow-moing
it and our tire our rim is touching the fully folded ceiling on the on the side of the side of the broom or something
you know yeah just about it was insane sweet yeah um but yeah you know what
else is pretty sweet boys is Shimano is releasing XT upgrade kit wireless
well full XT not right full XT full XT group all new all new as well as the
brakes and brakes um didn't really have to even wait that long yeah so they two
weeks ago they came out with Shimano XT R XTR 9200 Di2 y and now they're
releasing Shimano XT8200D so it's 12speed it is backwards
compatible so you can buy a shifter and derailer and put it on your current Shimano 12-speed group set um but yeah
they came out with new new crank new brakes uh kind of new everything um
that's cool yeah and it's basically same everything there's not a whole lot to talk about it that's different heavier
yeah marginally heavier marginally more durable maybe it does look like at least the shift would basically look the same
yeah they look very very similar we can't speak on the durability um that's true but uh it it just doesn't have
quite the XTR bling finish it's the more subtle classic XT finish um yeah it looks great and you know they have that
and then they also have Dior um upgrade kit yes so and you will be
riding the XT stuff yes I have XT stuff you've got it all and you're going to be
reviewing it yeah long-term review yeah so that's pretty cool so just got it on the bike uh as it you know day before it
came out so don't have any time on it but we'll be following up with like a you know proper five six month long-term
review it is nice how easy it is to just slap on you know like that's so convenient for sure i think that is
going to be huge i mean I think obviously people knew once XTR was released that there's going to be you
know XT and Dior and like Yeah but sometimes it's 6 months or a year that's true two weeks I think it like oh I have
to wait so long you know and like and remember when Stram dropped Axis like they didn't even drop the upgrade kits
for like a while like I want to say it was at least a year like until they dropped you know XX1X and then GXaxis
was like another wait after that so I think Shan like they're like okay we got time we got to make up right now like
let's just drop it all and like you know so I think that was smart on their part I think that like the DR upgrade kit and
even just the XT like is just such a no-brainer for ebike customers too like if you just have the existing Shimano
drivetrain the U cables just don't work super well on an ebike they're just going up and around the motor and
there's crazy internal routing and sometimes it gets pinched against the battery and stuff and I think they do make ebike derailer if you have a
Shimano bike will plug in yeah it plugs into your Yeah yeah there you go that's pretty cool so you can you can run it
with or without that you can run your own have no cables yeah or any any bike that has Shimano right now and you want
to get you know wireless on there xt shifter derailer like you're good to go yeah you know unless you're gram
counting like XT is what you're gonna want right it's cool it's pretty solid so yeah it's it's awesome um you know
Shimano waited 7 years and then they came out with all of it in two weeks so
yeah true story makes you think how long they've been sitting on it and working on it you know um speaking of things I've been working
on uh or sitting on people
uh who are tuned into the racing scene have probably seen the upside down Fox
fork is that next door yeah yeah um yeah people have been uh yeah you probably seen the upside down Fox fork and that
is finally here as well the Fox podium fork pretty insane uh 160 170 travel
right yep uh dedicated grip X2 damper that's like maybe custom tuned for the
application um oh huge bushing overlap so it's super stiff 20 mil boost axle
yeah 20 mil boost axle that's like the biggest thing that's important that's important biggest thing to like take
note of is you need a 20 mil front hub yeah you're going to need either adapters if your hub can take it or just
a whole new front wheel yep um so that's definitely something to note about that yeah i mean that's definitely a bummer
but I guess that's how they were able to achieve the stiffness that they were that was their target right yeah i'm
curious we haven't ridden this we haven't seen this or anything um I'm curious how much of that stiffness comes
from that 20 mil front axle versus 15 cuz they say dual crown stiffness with
single crown like I guess compatibility but Yeah it's also as as heavy as a dual
crown right yeah and as expensive as one right yeah it is heavy and expensive so it is definitely interesting to see like
the customer for that it's definitely like for for racing enduros for sure
maybe some like light downhill use it's just like not really downhill maybe some ebike use ebike for sure ebike for sure
that makes the most sense to me but yeah it's definitely interesting i thought it was interesting that it's only goes up to 170 travel as well i
think that would be a no-brainer to go like might as well just go 200 to 180 you know or at least 180 at least 180
like if I like if you're on a big enduro bike like when I race enduro I would always run a 180 fork you know just it
just you have so much travel you can just go hard well when you had the uh enduro right which is like 170 travel or
something yeah it was like it was around like 170 I believe and so that makes sense 165 170 but yeah 180 fork and just
over fork things and why not you know i mean that makes sense there are bikes out there that have that much travel you want to make it compatible I guess i
think the fork does look super cool though does look super cool especially if you like grew up rides like you're
just like "Ah like dirt bike." You got inverted inverted uh fork like that and
some handguards and you're all of a sudden you're on a moto yeah the Yeti boys have been ripping it uh getting
some top 10s and podiums at EWS so it's not holding them back they you know were
doing just fine on 38 but it's not not holding them back it's not making them any slower that's for sure so
I mean definitely I could definitely see how it would be good on very challenging like DH tracks you know like more weight
on the fork and then stiffen it like Yeah and probably just super supple as well like all the bushings are just constantly being lubed so um Yeah yeah
they're saying although it is heavier it is unsprung weight because the weight is in the upper not the lowers so that just
makes it more supple I guess yeah that's nice or less less like um Yeah yeah less weight moving around yeah less uns but
it is I believe I'm not 100% positive on this number but I think it's 500 g
heavier than a 38 yeah i looked at You're about right yeah and it's $2,000 USD versus I think a 38's like $1,200 so
it's definitely not going to be like a casual upgrade right like definitely is expensive and and you possibly need a
new front hub at minimum if not a wheel depending on like what how you want to go about that but definitely very use
case specific it's not just like when Fox dropped the 38 and they were like this is the new Enduro 4 enduro this is
like a very specific use case where you almost build a bike around it yeah or
build around it i mean pretty badass pretty cool love upside on forks um yeah
it' be cool to see what people do around that building bikes around that stuff is I would like to ride it but Oh yeah
absolutely speaking of riding things uh Liam you had mentioned there's an APNW
LOM dropper yeah a new update to the LOM dropper that's pretty radical lom V2 or
Gen 2 I believe as they're calling it silver um it's black and silver black and silver yeah both yeah I think they
dropped a limited silver before on the V1 it was just last year like some
limited one this is also This isn't limited but they said it's like a
limited numbers to start nice um with the silver but yeah it's just an update uh essentially they just changed a few
things they got you know the classic more insertion made adjustment to the collar as well as the saddle clamps um
and they also moved to a uh
uh new cartridge so um it should be pretty reliable and easy to rebuild as
well so sick yeah it's just uh love to see it you love to see it the silverware looks pretty badass to you yeah it's a
it's a sealed air cartridge um so no more adding air or anything so it's
pretty rad it's nice to see droppers that are easy to service and uh they look cool the insertion's nice too y
I've been installing a bunch of new droppers lately and it always surprises me that I can go up and travel on the
post but then still get like good insertion in in the bike cuz sometimes that's actually that's pretty much your
limiting factor for sure um and sometimes you can only go so far so it's cool to see that always getting better yeah so they they added an insertion
they have a 225 length now um Wow and it's also 5 mil adjustable
uh just as it was um so yeah it's cool the silver option is pretty cool i have that on the Banshee with the Shimano
stuff so it's like pretty pretty much long-term test bike pretty slick couple of new rigs for Liam i don't think you
had mentioned your new hard tail to people yet no because I just built it that's right you just built it maybe you
just dropped some quick you know the quick hot hits the quick hits i got a custom I I ordered this in January
custom custom custom custom fabricated custom welded custom geo custom geo my
geo that I wanted for a hard tail um and yeah made by the boys at Stinner up in
Santa Barbara we carry Stinner they're super rad um been fans of them for a long time and yeah I had a hard tail
made uh kind of just for like why I mean it's why I rode a hard tail
this last weekend it's basically my gravel bike for local stuff like I don't really care to ride gravel and be like
fast i'd rather be fun um and a flat bar is way more fun than a drop bar and
comfortable and confident and like oh look I can go down a single track instead of clunk my way down a fire road
y and you're doing you can do wheelies and stuff yeah but it's Yeah it's titanium custom geo like it's sick um so
really really stoked on that and then yeah just Banshee uh sent over a test frame to slap all
these parts on um Oh and with Shimano they have new XT wheels nice enduro wheel set that we did not talk about so
that's right yeah new hub new hub new enduro wheel alloy XT so that's also on
the bike nice test me test me test me exactly dialed sick well boys uh we take
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listener questions i can I can read this first one here thanks Trevor get it Trev
hey uh WWC crew love listening to the pod in your riding adventures i know this is probably something that you may
not personally encounter giving your frequent comments about changing tires frequently but for the rest of us mere
tire mortals who tend to ride things as long as possible I have a question about tire/ rubber longevity i've noticed two
sets of Maxis tires I've owned that the grippyiness of the tire wears out long before the tread does i've had both two
compound and 3C tires some of these last Some of these tires last two plus years based on my riding conditions wow um
after a while they just don't feel as rubbery and fresh they still have pronounced knobs but they aren't feeling grippy can um and can get slick and
loose in wet conditions any insights am I making this up in my head does Max are suffer from this more than other tire
brands i've never noticed it on my Specialized tires for example thanks tire gurus so is he talking Do you think
about like the stickiness of the rubber like the durometer yeah and hardness probably which is all related i I think
all tires suffer from it it's just UV exposure riding exposure right like I mean getting two years out of a set of
tires is crazy like yeah that is a long time in the road yeah my XC tires last like you know 4 months maybe like my
Recon I just took off was smoked and I was like Yeah four months of riding maybe yeah i
uh I just I just installed some tires for a customer and he gave me a front tire it was a Michelin tire downhill uh
22 and the it was older and the rubber was like pretty hard i was like "hm I
don't know about this." And then was it like new but sitting for a long time sitting for a long time brand new just Yeah just in his shed or whatever right
and then I ordered the same exact tire for his rear tire but a new one from us
and it was considerably stickier softer and tackier considerably so like um to
the point where like I wouldn't even want to run that front tire anymore because cuz you know the differences
yeah I think all tires suffer from it um I don't think Specialized tires might be that sticky to begin with so I don't I
mean you know what I mean like Specialized tires aren't aren't that sticky right like they're not they're not the gooiest like Maxis Max Grip
maxis Max Grip is insane yeah conte and Conte and Michelin don't come off as sticky from the feel but they almost
like break in and have like a different kind of stickiness to them than Maxis i was going to say the Michelin tires like
after I rode them for a couple times you you I always like to squeeze the side knobs and kind of see how they rebound and how soft they are and I was very
impressed with how soft those were after a couple rides though yeah they do kind of break at first you're like "Dang these are kind of hard actually." But
they're actually not yeah yeah um I think all tires suffer from it it's just rubber and UV exposure like there's no
way around that i mean we see it all the time we take tires off that like they
you know maybe a customer wants a new tire and they don't want the old one and we we throw it on our used tire rack and
it sits back there for months and then you're like "Wow this is it still has tread but it's like hard and like it's
brittle almost right?" Um so yeah that's inside our warehouse that's inside the warehouse it's not uh not in the sun at
all and like on obviously everybody's seen a bike that's been sitting or even a car that's been sitting for a long
time the tires rot you know they crack and that's just literally what happens to a rubber after it's been sitting for
a while it's funny i was just telling Carl as he just bought new rear recon tire um and I was like "Yeah but I would
be fine if a tire lasted 10 rides." But it worked it was sick it worked all the
time xc tire downhill tire whatever it may be if it lasted 10 rides but it was
like the sickest tire ever all all down for it obviously that's not feasible for
most people and I'm just like a snob with some stuff but you know and then and then maybe there's other thing where
you know you get a tire that lasts two years for someone who wants tire last two years but if there's like a 10 ride tire like a race tire I'd be all about
it give me that sticky icky i see like moto guys and they'll do like a hard enduro and they're it's a one ride tire
you know or even like on a enduro bike for a race weekend it's a one weekend tire and Schwabi was making tires that
had a hot patch on them called First Ride for a while like a couple years ago yeah like Purion and a bunch of those
guys were on them i thought that was just like their prototype tires uh no it's like a blue label and that was like
First Ride was like literally it's like a race day only like it's a one ride yeah oh wow super sticky that's wild
yeah yeah it's just it's maybe two or three runs but like it's not lasting a weekend yeah I would love to see what
those tires like the downhill guys i would love to see what those tires look like after a run just one run they maybe
go have they maybe get a run in on it and then they and then they run it maybe but I want to see that i saw a closeup
of Jackson Goldson's bike coming off his first win what is it lenser Hiden and then he went to Leo Gang is that what it
was ludenville leo Gang so at Leo Gang they had just taken a bike out of the
out of the truck and washed it mhm um but changed nothing on it and the tires looked brand new cuz they just had one
run on them and they're like brand new but they'll probably pull them off or maybe he'd ride them for like the first couple practice runs and then he'll pull
them off and um you know and to be fair those downhill guys aren't really breaking a lot i mean maybe on some
maybe on some tracks they're breaking hard and short yeah hard and short but like compared to like if we were to go
on a downhill run we'd be breaking the whole time it's the more the cornering for them right yes is the cornering and
the abuse on that my corner knobs they don't get that worn out you know there's probably they're ripping that stuff my
tire from Squamish has a pretty funny wear on it just like so much slab riding and like not cornering too hard cuz
you're just like stopping on slabs it's doing a pretty funny wear to it right now it's funny i've heard of people like
who live in the P&W or like in very wet climates that their uh Yeah their center knobs just get low they don't really get
chewed up or anything our our tires in SoCal get chewed up really bad their tires just just wear down low and their
side knobs don't really get worn down super like they don't get cut up you know it's very interesting and the tires
Yeah they last a while they're not getting chewed up yeah that's nice mhm well here's a question guys that is not
bike related but it could be you're given $10 million but you only have one day to spend it what do you do the thing
is any material thing you buy explodes at the stroke of midnight the next day taylor from Chattanooga this is the
question that uh Austin Yeah he had on the Chasing Epic trip and
I'm going to say private charter to like Austria to go ride downhill bikes all day dang that's a good one and then that
that won't even be 10 million but I would like top resort top bike yeah all
your buddies top food all the boys lots of beers that's exact exactly what I would do but
I want to do one part i would do like set up different um helicopter runs to
get to like the sickest peaks and downhill runs and like the Alps of Europe so like you can connect like
schmodling and all these things like pretty close i do all that and then like at the bottom of one would just be like the
sickest like you know buffet of food and all the boys and then we just go up again we just have these helicopters
training helicopter shuttle yeah helicopter shuttle like heli king for down like sunrise to sunset and then at
sunset I've got Rufus D soul playing a private DJ set at one of the resorts and
all the boys fly in and everyone flies in and we party till the stroke of midnight and everyone explodes that's
pretty good Liam yeah i mean you're peeking all good you know it's funny we have all kind of the same idea because I
too was thinking get all the boys to a sick destination i mean yeah on a private jet and then have just the
literally like the best food i was actually thinking like uh you know fly out like some maybe some sushi chefs
from like Japan or something like that food flown to you right yeah fly them out fly them to my location with the
fish that they just caught yeah you got to think different and then you have like the full you know omicass like you
know sushi experience um a band is a great idea live music music and just the
sickest party after the most epic day of riding yeah that'd be pretty cool
and then you know Yeah just run it i don't know yeah that's it yeah that's it that's a day maybe invite the whole
village literally invite everyone invite the whole town yeah that'd be pretty
sick all right beer's on me beer's on me i got you do it liam you want to read
the next one yeah hey fellas what's up during the last podcast Liam me said he
washes dishes as he goes and I'm the same way essentially the second I'm done with a dish fork spoon I'm washing it
i've gotten flak at work for confessing that I do this and I've never used a dishwasher i use mine as storage and
don't even know how to turn it on give me the pro tip is a dishwasher really it love you guys mario uh Mario I've lived
in the same apartment for 5 years i've never turned on the dishwasher in my life really wow me me and my roommate we
probably use one plate one fork one spoon each and like one pan and like we
just run it like we don't we don't run them we don't have enough dishes for the dishwasher um what about like food
storage bowls and stuff you just wash them yeah immediately just wash huh it's
crazy you just don't you just don't put anything in the sink and walk away like sometimes I'll put a pan in there
if it's like pretty baked on but you don't really put pans in the dishwasher anyways no right no i mean I I've
literally like when I was a child I used one but I'm pretty sure it broke when we stopped using it so like I've literally
never really used a dishwasher in my life oh you didn't even grow up using one i think it broke oh I can't remember
i've heard that using a dishwasher is is uh you use much less water if it's full
if it's full so I live in a house with like uh three other dudes you guys use and we run the dishwasher every day it's
like a chore to unload the dishwasher every day yeah but I I think if it's just me and uh Briea and like you know
we don't even like make like consistent dinners there together like true so it's
like literally one sometimes I try to make meals that I can just cook in one pot or one pan it's like what can I put
in here all at once and not get more of the stuff dirty and then Yeah and I'm
I'm uh sometimes the kitchen uh whip around here the chef no the whip the
whip you are the the enforcer the enforcer of keeping the sink clear we
have a massive sink so it can get piled up but like it's just such a annoyance when you go to grab a fork and you see
seven dirty in there and none clean and I'm like what's going on i agree with that rule cleaner stuff right away
especially at work right this is in your house like you just come in you scrub it right away put on the dry rack like it
takes as much time to walk away and come back as it does to just do it right then and there that's like what I think at
home and I just like the worst thing in the world is waking up to dirty dishes in the sink oh yeah that's like the hard
cut off is like no dishes overnight like that's the rule it's gross um and
as Zach once said the best time to do something is when you don't want to do it true story i might I might have like
totally you know butchered that saying i saying Zack probably made it up he came across right all right how about this
one hey guys I'm having a bit of a conundrum and I was hoping you'll be able to provide some good guidance i
don't know what suspension to get for my Serllo ZFS-5 to upgrade it to
that's their bike i would assume that's their XC bike to upgrade it to 120 120 mil travel i know what size components
I'll need but I have so many options for what brand to go with that my head is spinning price isn't as big of a factor
but I do want something from the bigger brands so I can readily service the suspension i currently have Rock Shock
Sid SLS Lux Select Plus at 110/00
i've raced on this setup for over a year and have a few nits with it it's decent feeling but a little squirly on rougher
descents i hardly ever lock it out if I do switch modes it's almost always the middle position i hate the twist lock
and not being able to use any grip i'll be racing mostly Endurance XC with the occasional XCO distance i want active
with supportive suspension that's easy to use i have a Frankenstein stra transmission on the bike so I was also
considering flight attendant i also don't have a drop post on it yet but we'll be adding that to the mix with the
upgrade so that should factor into the equation i started racing the early90s as a junior on rigid 3x726ers and never
felt like I needed one until recently so do I go full axis and just welcome my robot overlords or mix and mash or is
the new Fox 34SL or Manitu R8 better please help
wow Liam you've been on basically the two best options I would say um and I
mean what do you think this guy should do well I think there's like to start he
says racing a lot is racing your absolute priority or is riding your bike racing and then or riding your bike
priority and racing you want to do for fun because I riding my bike is my
priority and racing for fun i had last year I had a full-blown race bike with nine batteries and fly tenant and
everything and yeah at the race it was the best option but it didn't really
like stoke me out that much just to go ride every single day my current ASR stoked me out to go ride every single
day and there's not a single battery on it so like that's kind of where I think you should start from if all if racing
is your absolute goal it's so hard to be flight attendant it is so good um it's
also expensive you got to charge batteries you know so so um but he's already charging batteries so yeah he's
charging one big difference but um then nine but uh once every once in a while
too yeah um right now I think you already have a SID
Sid Lux does kind of get overwhelmed a little bit you It does work well though it does work well i will say that um but
if you want to swap the Fox 34SL and then you could go with either a Grip
X damper which would be like a little bit more fun riding and a little bit more performance but it will never Well
you could twist it to get like a firm but it's not necessarily like your threeposition XC fork right or you get
the SL the grip SL damper and that's your three position XC fork so that's
what I would do probably in a 120 and then rear shockwise match it with a float SL that has three
position now this is what you can also do is go classic crown adjust no remotes
no cables mhm or use the new Fox Dropper remote to go the three position remote
it does front and rear shock at the same time it's a thumb remote so you can run any grip you want and it also works with
a cable actuator dropper post so you can then go get a Fox transfer SL dropper
post to put on your bike and it the one thumb lever does all of that the suspension and a dropper which is pretty
sweet can you run any grips you want cuz I'm a huge fan of that as well like I hate the twist lock just like you hate
those grips um so I think I think all out racing fly tendant and then Fox that
setup for Fox would be good and then you kind of decide well do you want the lockout at your like immediate disposure
or do you want to like reach down and just like Yeah and if you're if you're going to be running a dropper that's a
really good option yeah with the lockout I have to say um after riding this uh a straw base for a while now it has the
twist lock on it with the uh with the grips yeah and those grips are just awful they do they do work okay if you
have gloves on but if you're going gloveless or you have thin gloves they just really are are horrible i mean even with gloves this and I I did the whole
Great Descent on it and everything i I have to say when I came into it I was kind of a lockout hater i would always
just be like "Oh you just reach down and do it." But after like riding the bike fast and doing these cool rides and stuff the the three position lock is
actually super nice especially when you go on the road you can just lock it out and just hammer for sure um but the
twist lock does suck yeah so if you do if you do get that dropper um dropper and remote lockout from Fox from Fox
that's the move i' I've been trying to get one of those but it's they've been sold out right now um so I've just been
using the twist lock which has been okay you know whatever but um that I think that is a good option and I have
actually been pretty impressed with the SID uh Sid Lux stuff it does if you have the sag set up correctly and I've been
running a little bit on the lower side of pressure so it's super supple i would always I always thought to run this XC
stuff like pretty hard i'm just like "Oh I don't want to bottom out." But you kind of want it to be soft and supple it does ramp up it ramps up really well and
you want to use all your travel you want to use all the travel and you want it to be soaking up all those little bumps and it really like uh helps with fatigue and
traction if you have traction on XC bike you're golden it's kind of what you're looking for for sure for sure and that that'll save your energy as well tons of
energy yeah and he does have SIDS SL so going to like a Rock Shock Sid Ultimate at 120 would probably be a decent
difference as well and not feel squirly like you said there's a lot of options but I think that Fox setup with that with or without
the the remote is your choice but I think that Fox setup is like it barks pretty good above its weight so yep i
have that on my ASR well I I didn't have the 34 SL i had 34 step caster maybe you could put like a float SL in there too
you Yeah float SL rear shock yeah mhm yep there you go that's some That's some
hard-hitting MTV advice right there that's That's super legit um how about this one hey MTV gurus in the past
couple of years I test rode a couple bikes that had my favorite suspensions ever the Canfield Balance Formula
suspension on a Revel Rascal and the Fox Genie on a Specialized Turbo Leo SL i
couldn't get over how good they both felt my question assuming I could match the sizing and tuning how good would the
ride be if I stuck a genie in a CBF suspension would I blow my mind so hard that I would die mid jump or would the
goodness violate some law of physics and cause the universe to stop existing or even worse would it not be noticeably
better than either on its own thanks Tom hi Bean ps bean says hi i mean it
wouldn't hurt yeah isn't the whole thing with the Genie that it kind of it's like
extra volume and it ramps up like Yeah it's a two stage i was thinking of something else no the Genie is the one I
was thinking of and the fly yeah no no Genie yeah i don't know if that would I don't I don't think it would be good the
Genie has a two-stage air chamber so it's really really large off the top and then as it gets into the travel it
closes off and becomes smaller volume um so it's kind of making it progressive
when it first came out I don't have a lot of experience riding one and I know you can ride the that new those new
bikes especially like the Stump Trimmer without that shock and it works fine mhm but it kind of seemed like and some
reviews said it kind of almost seemed like a band-aid to like a basic suspension tune right and to get like
maybe more progression out of it but like you overengineer the shock and like left the bike very basic which there's
two ways to go about it cbf is definitely more engineered on the suspension you run a basic shock or you
overgineer the shock run basic suspension but I don't think combining the two it's not like oh I have 100%
100% now i have 200% you know what I mean like it doesn't really it's not going to equal that yeah
um I don't I don't think it would be that great it's worth a shot and I think there are some bikes it work really good
on i'd actually be curious to see how it would work on like a Yeti because Yetis
are pretty stiff off the top um and have a lot of support uh and then they're not
that progressive which is very similar to like how the new Stump Chumper kind of is cuz the Genie Shock makes it very
progressive right like it feels more like coralesque off the top off the top and then but then it ramps up yeah so
that's interesting cuz I feel like the CBF stuff gives you such a good like pedaling platform it does yeah so it's like you're kind of negating that a
little bit but who knows maybe it could be good it could be good but yeah i don't think it's like you know
100 100 200 i I don't think that's like it's just going to be awesome because you put that shock on anything um the
CBF does have a very special feel so I bet you could get it to feel good just playing with like just with so much
pressure adjustments and volume spacer adjustments you could probably get it to a good place but it might take some work to get it there yep yeah you're probably
better off just running a shock that has the shock tuned specifically for CBF
right cuz like you said Liam it's like the Genie is tuned for the leverage rate
of the Specialized y So like it just Yeah it's probably not going to be as
good as you might think Tom i'm sorry to say you're probably better off just with a good old standard at the end of the
day is it is meant for the stump jumper right would Bean agree with that i think Bean would agree with that yeah 100% for
sure you want to get this one Tra uh sure uh love the pod where uh where do you guys fall on the seat post collar
orientation pinchable in the front or the back is this truly personal preference or is there some thought
behind orientation in relation to the seatost frame gap where the post slides into thank you um I always think it
should be on the back side i rear visually it should be on the back yes
but when I long time ago when I was doing warranties um Cintace did not warranty a seat post
because it had a crack you could clearly see the frame was split in the back and they said that was an incorrect way to
do it and the split should be on the front and the clamp should be on the front wait wait wait and that probably
depends on where the split in the frame is though correct it kind of does cuz you can run it either way mhm
essentially you are it's a collar you're tightening it no matter what and then some some bikes have two on the sides
none on the front and the rear like I think some Specializers like that they have two on the sides none on the front
and the rear um I too think it should be in the back are you saying that they
wouldn't warranty it because it was facing the rear and and as the post was flexing backwards you could clearly see
the way it was cracked it cracked like pushed through the slot in the frame
like it cracked and you could see like where the rear slot was so they're saying it should have the collar should
have been flipped around with the slot facing forward the slot and the collar so the frame was wrong they said "Oh
well that's BS." You don't know that that guy was bummed i mean that seems like a copout i don't know that's just
what I was told and like it kind of makes sense though like dropper dropper post is not that big of a deal but say a
ri a rigid post a carbon post you're putting that weight back it's kind of like you're pushing on that slot in the
frame i could see that but it seems kind of crazy that they deny that visually I
think it should be on the back yeah it drives me nuts whenever I see it on the front it's It looks backwards my
frameworks I think the slots's on the front and it came shipped on the front so I've left it on the front yep and And
should the uh bolt head be on drive or non-drive side oh now Trevor I think
they're normally on non-drive side yeah I think you're right well no they're normally on drive are they yeah i think
I'm a idiot it is god I do this so much i wanted when when I made the when I
made the trail one seat post clamp i wanted to put it on the non-drive and
cap the end like I did on the stems but it wasn't going to work out it's like you need there's too much range you need
to tighten because frames aren't consistent like and you could sometimes like you got to stretch it a little bit
unlike a stem where the steers are very consistent so I can engineer in that's got that extra 3 mil once torqued to
spec and you can I couldn't do that on the seat post clamp so I think it should be non-drive side so you can adjust the
seat from the back if you need to adjust it a little bit i'm also a lefty so that Yeah it's backwards you're biased cuz I
I was like it should be on the drive because I'm on I step off I tend to step off on the drive and I want to use my
right hand to make the adjustments but I'm a lefty so everything goes out the window [Laughter]
that's funny you guys are crazy man uh that's a good question though i've never really thought about that i'm sure
you've thought about that i have thought about it probably too much that's funny well this is something you probably have
also never thought about which serial mascot would you trust to help you bury a body probably uh the um Captain Crunch
oh okay he's going to bury treasure isn't he or find treasure
i think I think Tony the Tiger i was going to pick Tony the Tiger i think Tony the Tiger his stripes could be kind
of looked at as tattoos you know might be a little rough like he's got he's buff he could definitely carry the body
captain Crunch that's hilarious he's got a dark side to him i mean he's a pirate
captain what other are there though oh man oh man those are the only two I can even see there's like a peacock or
something or a toucan you got Tony Tiger yeah the toucan from Froot Loops right you got Captain Crunch what about the
cinnamon guy this cinnamon toast crunch cinnamon mutton oh I don't know i don't know what about um
Isn't there like a like a dog or something from the cookie crunch cookie yeah
it's a dog right i didn't grow up eating any sugar cereal so I didn't Yeah i haven't had cereal in so long i wasn't
allowed to eat that stuff no same that's funny oh that's so funny yeah okay
caffin look out for him oh leave you want to read this next one yeah hey guys love the podcast great mix
of smart advice and silly aides on a recent pod y'all in passing mentioned
some stansion lubrication if your bike has been sitting for an extended period of time i was wondering if you could get
a little deeper on those kinds of lubricants and if slash what you'd recommend for your fork slot or shock is
feeling a little sticky when do you recommend this kind of lubricant or is the better solution just to do lowers or
shock equivalent service mhm well that's is that is the better solution yeah i mean lower service there is that little
in between right like Yeah are lower still 50 hour claims or they
like it's changing they're kind of like going up to 100 now kind of going up now yeah so like there is kind of that time
where it's like Yeah it's not quite there to do a full lower service or like maybe just don't have the time um what
do we use wpl work boost lube yeah whistler performance lube I think it's
called yeah fork boost lube um works really well um you can also just kind of
like use a little zip tie to burp the seal a little bit and just use slick honey yeah slick seals anyway that's
what we put in the seals anyway that's what I was going to say wouldn't it literally ideally just be better to put whatever you're going to service the
fork with just Well the problem with the slick honey is like you can't really get it like in there the seal's going to seal it out the oil is going to go all
around it right um cuz yeah the dust wiper seal is but you still kind of want to want to like burp that seal a little
bit with the zip tie to get whether it's fork boost lube or slick honey kind of inside of that seal just be careful like
you don't want to scratch anything get your like your thumbnail or something and just pull it back a little bit and get a little dull zip tie and just poke
it through there yeah not a cut zip tie like a fresh one that's kind of got like a and the forks with the little um air
air release the bleeders the bleeders that does uh especially when you're going to elevation makes a huge difference and if you don't have those
definitely like if you're going to a bike park normally it's at somewhere in elevation like just bring a little zip tie and do that cuz you will lose a lot
of stuck air pressure in there that's just going to cause a lot of friction and not friction but just extra pressure to get it to more stick yeah it doesn't
put more pressure in your in your fork fork but it push puts more pressure in your lowers yeah right you just want it
you want it to be at atmospheric pressure right interesting so yeah there you go i've also seen a video of the uh
the the guy who owns Push saying that they they would go to the top of climbs and before they drop in they're talking
or whatever they would flip their bikes upside down to lube the seals um which I guess would eliminate be not
a problem with the new uh new there you go or they have for too that's kind of I
think a big part of that but yeah you could just lube up your seals internally with the fork oil that's already in
there there you go which is uh that could work call me crazy but I'm pretty sure I did that after you told me that
and it and it I noticed difference but it could just be confirmation bias as well yeah you're crazy i am pretty crazy
well one last question here i can read this guy here um hello i'm planning on doing the Bre epic this year and uh Mari
Margie margie what is What is that it's pretty big i Yeah I believe it's a to B
ride they call it like the toughest race or the hardest race in an area or something like that i think it's like Michigan i was going to say Michigan
yeah I've never heard of that um it's a huge huge ride okay so yeah like big ride like a Bre epic like a Bre epic
type ride for sure hardest single day mountain bike race in America get some stats on that um yeah keep keep reading
and all the only times I've ridden in these places before was on rental enduro bikes with enduro tires whoa um I'm not
looking for a win but I would like to not flat also not run DH casing tires yes I am open to any brand what tires
and casings would you recommend for someone who's doing these races for the first time well I would definitely run
some like more XC oriented stuff you're not going to have a good time on a downhill tire no that is for sure no
even on an enduro bike like I would look into getting a minimum a trail bike like a 130 140 travel range but I think he
has a XC bike i'm not sure i think I might have been the Eagle yeah XC bike for sure um and then XC tires um I've
really been liking Max's Recons lately they are just like super consistent they roll fast and there's there's actually a
lot of grip on them reconid and they're rounded too so you can lean the bike over and there's still grip um so I've
I've actually really been liking Recons lately liam did you run a for a Forecaster bre epic bre epic i started
with a Recon Icon uhhuh or recon recon Icon or recon recon race I can't remember um but it rained halfway
through and then I dropped to and then I put on new forecaster recon cuz I was
afraid but I probably could have stayed with like a recon recon um I would say recon as well like and there's also an
exo plus recon too so you can you can if you want a little bit more protection you can do that but that will just give
you more sidewall protection not tread protection which depends where you're riding but I tend to always flat hot
tread yeah me too yeah like always tread punctures which exoplus doesn't help
with i can't find the stats on this quickly like RG guess yeah I mean I'm
I'm on a website i see like a video on it it doesn't give me like a big like X miles and feet of climbing i want to say
it's an A to B um and it's like pretty long
yeah I mean I would probably do recon maybe forecaster in the front if like you want to have a little more
confidence in the front that's what I That's what I ran at the Great Descent and um Forecaster up front yeah I've
just been running that in general just Forecaster Recon and um yeah I I really do like that combo but I'm going to try
a recon front next cuz I do think it has a lot of traction still yeah and I I
have been finding the forecaster it while it is super good and you can really push that tire hard especially on loose conditions it does kind of give
way sometimes i think the recon will be a little bit more consistent as you are leaning the bike over
just a small thing but I do the recon forecaster combo is awesome
i really like the recon and that's kind of what I've just always fallen back to over like the past handful of years um
so much so I think I'm going to run recon front and cut a recon down for the rear of Downyville whoa oh dude only
because if you drop into a lighter tread pattern like a Recon Racer Icon you also
go from a 60 TPI to a 120 TPI and I don't want to do that so yeah um looks
like the I think probably the main distance is 100 miles 104 miles uh and 10,700 ft
of climbing i don't know if it's same exact course every year and also there's a 200 and a 50 so there might be
different routes as well but 200 if you're doing anything like that you need to be as efficient as possible straight
up it it kind of looks like the hundreds like the the kind of premier like the
you know what probably most pros will line up for um Wow and yeah I mean 100 miles like
you could even Yeah you could even go like icon icon yeah or recon rac
or muddy or muddy um but yeah like cuz it got muddy at Breck last year well you
said it rained it did rain and got got pretty nasty it was greasy in spots yeah that's why I went up tire but like I
don't think it really helped that much but yeah every time I do an XC race I just fall back on like well get lost
it's like or uh great descent it's like well yeah I could have been on a full XC bike with a recon race front rear and I
probably would have gone faster i wouldn't have KO this single track up top but like I would have gotten to the finish line faster
it kind of bums me out a little bit just because I like want to rip single track and I want a bike set up to rip single track but like that's not the fastest
way to finish a race which is lame i thought the same thing it's the same thing when I did Downville um on on the
SP40 and I had double forecasters and yeah I still fly to one of them but the
uh at the end of the race in hindsight I I was like "Wow I never had I never was
like l lacking traction i had so much traction i had too much traction so I'm like I could have gone to a faster tire
and the whole day would have been way more efficient and recon I think was the answer for that for me at least and like
what you made up like 20 seconds on me on a downhill by having more tire if that yeah and I was more tired the whole
time because I was pushing a heavier slower tire yep you know but you know what boys at the end of the day it's all
about how much fun you have and we're just riding bikes baby just riding bikes we're not It's not our job to win races
right so it's literally just about how much fun you had and if you There's fun to be had in like the
optimization of everything I think sure and having the right tools for the job absolutely um yeah we're just riding
bikes we're just riding bikes you want to have a good time out there and if that tire you ran made you have a good time then I think it did his job it sure
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