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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 123 of the MTB podcast presented and

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hosted by worldwide cyclery I am Jared I am Jeff and I'm Liam and we're joined today

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by King lentil yeah Liam's pet rock Jared tried to thow them out and I caught him no

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didn't try to throw him out there's some strange beef going on about the popularity of Jared's cat versus Liams

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pet rock I didn't say anything that's the kind of stuff we spend our time on here there's a 30 minute conversation

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and I won that's my rock on the table in this episode we will discuss some

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hilarious Race season Recaps from the two amateur race teams that we sponsor the recent bikes rides and component

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upgrades we've been enjoying and listener questions ranging from why bikes still come with 175 mm cranks

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tuning your rear shock to perfection and how to use your spare hard tail as a

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commuter bike if you blow up the engine in your truck again and your name is Ricky with two RS wow this sounds like

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it's going to be an episode packed with useful information it definitely will be that that last one sounds like it could

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be a episode of Trailer Park Boys yeah well I'm not sure if this was a real question or if this guy's trolling us

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but either way we're going to answer his question Ricky and also today's uh episode is one two three yep

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1 2 3 1 2 3 and the date well never mind oh whatever you're trying to make 1024

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23 I was going to try and do that but no it didn't work it's just a date well there's a 23 at the end of the day we

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record these roughly 5 days before they go out or a week before they go out anyway so wouldn't even worked that's

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true wouldn't have worked before we jump into our topics oh that's right sorry

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that was really strong we're going to do our intro segs int segs short for

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segments yeah y um Zach's words of wisdom you booze you lose those are

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Zach's words of wisdom that's what he had for us today Daniel's fun fact read Daniel's because I have fact his fun

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fact this year marks the 20th anniversary of Starbucks pumpkin spice latte and they have sold over 600

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million of them since it was created that is an interesting fact I

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have a follow-up fact that I researched to go a little bit more in depth on this topic and according to the National

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Academy of coffee drinkers also known as the nacd they estimate that women aged

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13 to 24 will ingest up to 30 million pounds of whipped cream a top pumpkin spice lattes this fall season wow that's

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a lot of whipped cream but I bet you if they extended that age range past 24 yeah that' be that number would be

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ridiculous got hundred millions of Wham hundreds of millions of pounds are you are you a PSL guy never had one never

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had one have you how about you Jeff I have usually one or two a season actually had one this morning I got it from Ragin yeah I did oh but

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not from not from the bucks no I'm going to get the Starbucks one though too average PSL enjoyer in our present I've

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never had one either I mean they're good wow they're good it's once a year just get one or two man they're good I it's

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they don't call it a PSL ragam muffin cuz you know they're too hipster for that they call it a pumpkin dream latte oh yeah it was dreamy wasn't that

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pumpkiny you know just good but I'm going to try starucks one would never Peg you for such consumerism

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seasonality oh I honestly like the flavor it's good it's a good flavor so

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does it rank higher than Starbucks you like it better you don't support I haven't had the Starbucks one yet

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Starbucks stbu star I don't know why Starbucks cold brew it's just I prefer to support

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small businesses but Starbucks just just like you always know what you're getting true you always know how fast it's going

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to take it's it's good it's I don't know what they do to their their cold brew but man it's like when I crave cold brew

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I want Starbucks c yeah they're putting something addictive in there for sure yeah like multiple pounds of whipped cream or something per drink I just get

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I just get black coffee but according to the nacd according to the nacd okay so

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race teams uh everyone who listens to this podcast frequently knows that we sponsor a couple amateur race teams uh

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one of them being the fire f1re females First racing racing Enduro I did not

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know that that's what that stood for you didn't no have you after all this time you didn't know that's what stood for

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you just thought they picked the name cuz it sounded cool yeah exactly that um well they swept the series the

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mass series uh it's an Enduro Series in out in the East wow East us and the B

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team got second um the B team though this is this is the important part uh let me open up

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my phone well congrats fire team for being the B team that's right good job fire Shel did say she didn't really want

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to like rub it in cuz theam had some some hiccups during the season which I'm about to get into

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they can stay cordial but go fire my money was on fire from the start so wow yeah big wow I won a lot of money this

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one really so I got an update from Matt um saying they they they finished the series and it was awesome and they got

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second thank you for support yada yada thank you Matt for running the Epic B team so of course I asked well how many

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broken bones let me get the injury report because I was just curious because there's been some some injuries over the season so this is what he texts

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back he says bro oh to preface there's a lot of typos in

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this so if you're on the B Team listening to this and you're like I didn't break my ankle Steve was the one who did and then that's blame Matt he

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says bro Aaron night before race one massive concussion but he came back and then tore ligament in his finger later

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in the season Josh Ferguson race two broken ankle Johnny slipped disc Daniel broke wrist Luis separated shoulder

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Elliot turd broke four bones two in each arm and all the team chipped in to get get him a bedet wow cuz he couldn't wipe

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he literally broke both arms what a poor guy I know that's a bummer Elliot we love you you're my favorite B Team

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racer even though be Toro Gordon is the fastest by country mile he actually swept un W he's making his Pro debut

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next year he's actually like legitimately fast and a good racer wow so also known as probably not going to

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be on the B Team soon enough I was going to say he's going to he's going to some te sorry Matt but he might be on he

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might be on some a team soon enough he's that good uh this list goes on Tim fractured wrist Josh rode with coid

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today took third and the only time he didn't take first of the year in his class uh something about the pocono's

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mountain bike club Banning some racer from Racing for some drama reason I

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guess I can't get into the details because they're confidential um I don't know what's I don't know what's going on

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there we're just going to have to have Matt come on and see if he can politici his way out of that love to hear that that thing uh our youngest Justin who's

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14 won his first race today in 16u uh and this this is this is what

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tops it all off Louis the 50 plus Rider crashed today and then lol rode the

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wrong way that's what this says Lost first place in the series because of

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that he won every stage but one today and that cost him the race and the series L he rode the wrong way so I of

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course you know had to talk to Matt on the phone for a little more Knights when he spun out went the wrong way didn't know how to go exactly what it is so

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apparently he was on some flat section and clipped his pedal and scorpioned and then in a in a just Panic haste picked

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up his bike and started riding the wrong way poor God and then eventually saw another racer coming that way and

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realized he was going the wrong way it turned around didn't recognize any part of the track or anything poor guy I'm a

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little confused on how that happens but you know sometimes you get concussed on these mountain bike races brings up the question how many people are on the B

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Team uh well I don't know 20 or something it's a Prett of them got

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injured substantial and then Matt says I rode well results sucked just can't pedal man climb awesome race pedal

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terrible I'm going to say for how much he crashes it's amazing that he didn't get seriously injured yeah I know the

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guy's made a rubber as for people that know he was with us on the Italy trip and we watched him crash several times

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and he's made of rubber amazing uh also November 11th the B Team guy

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the remaining injury-free ones I guess are going to be at the canooga bikee park um having a ride day if anyone

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wants to fly out and you happen to be there tell them that you know what's up with the B Team cuz you listen to the MTB podcast sick so that's our race WoW

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race team recap laundry list ofies it's what happens when you ride

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fast and loose good thing uh we don't cover insurance for those guys right

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jeez and people wonder why health insurance is so expensive in this country you know you got to commend their efforts and the send theend respect the

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send man yeah those guys are sending it if they're getting injured like that for sure that's why I don't race uro yeah

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makes sense I'm scared yeah mik racing is fun but it can be very dangerous and

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full of broken bones but it's all up to you if you push yourself that hard then that's that can happen yeah totally

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makes sense uh speaking of pushing yourself and sending it what have you been riding lately Jared man bikes rid

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have you ever the done a mountain bike race yeah I've done a mountain bike race yeah I did a couple sea otters um you

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know some years back um there might have been the only

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one I've ever done yeah can't really remember now yeah um what I've been

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riding lately yeah been putting the miles in man on the hard tail and the on the gravel bike you know trying to get

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ready for Nasco next week big gravel guy big gravel guy big ride next week Liam's

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doing it a couple guys are doing it exciting I haven't missed a year since I started running bikes nice this will be

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my second time doing it uh for those who don't know it's a charity ride it's about what 80 miles and 8,000 ft of

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climbing or something like that and pretty much riding the big big canyons and the Santa Monica Mountains and uh it

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is a Savage ride it's legit though it's hard it's hard super fun beautiful a lot

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of good scenery we doing it Weaver's doing it yep for a good cause and uh

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yeah yeah should be good time so basically I've just been trying to get miles in and prepare for that and also just have fun riding the heart tail and

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yeah rip Sycamore to lower leg service a couple weeks ago so it's just buttery

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did it yourself I sure did have you read it since yeah and it works it's not leaking the low and fall yeah I know

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where you're going with that Jeff and know it's fine it's better than

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before pretty yeah I know it's it's awesome I get a lot of satisfaction out of just mundane basic service you know

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lower leg service is kind of a cool one I think yeah feels cool when you have all those things taken apart and there oil everywhere yeah it's actually

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extremely simple it feels intimidating it is and looks yeah totally but yeah I

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mean it's it's an important service to do yeah and it like I couldn't believe you know just how big of a difference it made like putting the fork back together

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and all fresh seals and dust wipers I was like wow this just feels how many hours did you have on that fork um I

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it's been about a year since I've put it on so I really know but I've been riding that bike a lot so usually like what 50

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to 150 like depending on the fork and also just where you ride riding nice

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dust on occasion as opposed to riding in mud every day difference in how often we did have a lot of mud earlier in the

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year um so that kind of you know probably soiled my seals a bit soiled my

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seals they were pretty gross I me Trevor and I were looking at them they're totally black and disgusting so so you were a little late on the service little

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late on the service better to be late on the fork lower service than on the dropper Post Service yeah cuz the

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dropper post is where it just really stops working well on you totally but yeah that's all I got what about you

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Jeff I have not been riding bikes very much lately at all um I just got back a

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couple days ago I was in Mongolia for two weeks which is a strange place to be

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but uh he caught up on his barbecue caught up on my barbecue on the barbecue

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uh a friend of mine runs these Adventure travel trips for entrepreneurs awesome actually on this trip uh Adam Miller was

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there the founder of Rebel bikes that's right actually it must have been two years ago or two or three years ago he

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was asking me just like hey man what are some really you know meaningful entrepreneur related business owner events that you've gone to and you enjoy

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going to and I was like oh friend of mine runs this company called wayfinders he puts on these incredible trips I told him about him and then Adam ended up

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going on one um last year we went to Uganda and it was incredible last year or two years ago that was last year this

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was last year yeah and then this year we did Mongolia um went out to little bit

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in the Eastern side of Mongolia in the capital and then most of the whole trip was on the western side and the pretty much Barren Wasteland that it is um it's

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it's beautiful but there's very few of anything there's just wild herds of sheep and Yaks and some horses and it's

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an incredible Place wow um yeah it was a it was a rugged trip a lot of camping a lot of freezing cold um we did a

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migration with a local family there that does their fall migration so it was cool there a lot a lot of cultural stuff

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mixed in there but I just put in a lot of steps yeah I rode a horse for two miles hated every second of it bear back

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no there was a saddle on all right well I'm just make sure cuz you were saying you hated it so I just don't like horses

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I just can't control the thing I love horses I don't want to ride them though I don't think they should be ridden

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ever unless unless you are in that situation and they're actually doing a

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purpose for you i' take that back but yeah yeah maybe some like it I don't know only we

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talk to they use horses for I mean if yeah there's a lot they're using for an

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actual cause not not animal to go ride around not yeah not to ride around like

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people out here we've had automobiles for over 100

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years you should be on like one of those debates um like there should be there

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should be some type of YouTube channel like the onion puts on where they put on these debates I'm still I'm still going to start my non soon yeah I could

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totally see Liam like in Washington DC lobbying against like stop the horses we

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should buy you one of those uh what Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy shirts that's right yeah that's totally

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Le totally goes with your whole theory on this that's totally Li wow so anyways

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I haven't really been riding bikes and then I came back and uh my bike still needs to get uh a refresh Liam Liam

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didn't work on it I asked you to work on it and you just Ranger you just blitzed me out man uh-oh neglected me he's been

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busy he's been doing more important things you got you got edged out I got edged out I was like oh I wanted to ride

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this between um preparing sale and my personal vehicle

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issues over the last 10 to 12 days I've been a bit busy you blow up

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your truck motor twice to use your hard Tails computer uh just about total my

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van and had to figure out all that mess of stuff y um but I still made time to ride bikes

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because otherwise I will probably lose my mind if I do not what have you been doing in riding um upgrading well I just

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rebuilt my whole rail 29 after a Summer full of travel and trips um it just felt

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a bit worked so pretty much every wearable I replaced uh which you know

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grips brake pads brake rotors tires true the wheels new chain suspension services from rear went

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down the frame greased all the pivots torqued them all up chain chain ring all

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that stuff um and you did your fork and shock too right yeah suspension service

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front mirror yeah yeah yeah okay just been so wow I rode that over the weekend

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all fresh put on some new tires DHR 2s front and rear EXO plus front Max grip

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Double Down rear Max grip lots of grip set up Max grip mhm you pedal that bike

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much yeah I just pedal I did a 4700 ft ride on it yeah where'd you go Ohio in

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ohigh on that bike yeah what' you write out there secret Trail oh secret Trail

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secret Trail it's not too secret but I don't want to blow it up yep um it's a

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public Trail but it just got kind of cleared and brought back to life so um

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yeah it's a 22 minute downhill for the Kom it's a long downhill yeah it's a two

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and it's in Duro bike worthy which is why you rode the real 29 yeah yeah we were saying if if we're on short travel

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bikes uh there's a whole middle section that's pretty rough and Rocky and you could get through it on shorter travel

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with less tire but you definitely have to choose your line a bit and it wouldn't be as fun or on endural bike

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you can definitely let off and pump through Rock Gardens and kind of get crazy um yeah it's super fun it's such a

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fun trail like descending like over three ,000 ft in one go 22 minute

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downhill and that's that's like km speed so sounds pretty sweet it's fun just

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broke it in up there felt good if you were to recommend a winter riding

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destination in the United States what would it be I just came off this this is my

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question as a listener W that's a Jeff's listener question well I would just thinking about it like bar would be

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awesome that's what I was thinking the trails are a little worked right now um

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they don't have too many top to bottom running trails and they only have about three

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um otherwise uh

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Phoenix quite a good Zone true Phoenix is nice in the winter south southern Utah yeah St

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George can you still ride in the winter you can it depends on yeah depends on the snow you could you could ride a

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little bit of Sedona and Southern Utah just depending on snow and and weather patterns mhm um yeah the you know around

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here is not bad either it's just not like a destination maybe worthy you know

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but if you had some friends out in this zone or LA area you can make if you live in Minnesota it'd be pretty nice to fly into La spend some time in

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Malibu so centrally located right like you can't just get a Airbnb and cruise out from there like you could in say

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Sedona you need or even Santa Barbara if you got one near the hills you could you can get in some epic rides yeah if you

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located yeah just be driving so mhm yeah yeah nice real 29 freshened

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up nice that sounds nice you've been riding that forbidden yeah the Druid V

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yeah kind of want one of those dialed man you're getting one you said you were going to get one yeah I forgot I said

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that well we actually are working uh so funny you mentioned it Jeff we got a video coming soon on that bike yeah

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review little YouTube video YouTube video I literally was thinking today I was like what was that bike I said I

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wanted to buy and I thought about it for like hours day and I was like oh yeah that forbidden that's what I wanted to

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get wow I just spaced on it I love it yeah do it man it be sick that thing

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looks really good it is really good yeah love it so yeah you'll be seeing a little more of it on the YouTube nice

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yeah nice nice well should we uh jump into our first listener question I'd

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love to Jump Right In all right to Rob I'm trying to conceptualize what it will

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be like to ride a modern trail bike I'm coming off a 2013 Ibis Mojo HD new bike

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will have roughly 30 more millim of Stack 60 more millim of reach 70 more

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millim front center and 60 more millim wheelbase head angle is one degre slacker what can I expect as far as

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differing ride characteristics to be quite honest I'd expect more than one degre slacker

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this what he's going from too you can expect it be way way better yeah for

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sure next question it's like better gosh I know I'm like almost any

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tangible one thing I'd say is uh it'll take a bit of getting used to um yeah

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valid point you'll be you know a little bit more Between the Wheels uh instead of kind of feeling on top of them MH um

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and yeah you'll run a longer you know longer reach but you'll have a steeper seat tube bangle in theory um longer

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dropper post yeah it'll be more stable it'll it'll won't be as Nimble in certain sections much less flexy than a

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2013 Ibis Moto that too yeah be much stiffer and and uh more

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surefooted yeah be a nice upgrade yeah definitely I just feel like bikes these days are so well-rounded you know yeah

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they really are and they've kind of hit I mean we've talked about this a million times but that sort of geop plateau product Innovation Plateau like they

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haven't Chang a ton since 2018 I'd say 19 or 20 yeah yeah but I

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mean they've certainly changed a lot since 2013 so that'll be a big difference going from a 2013 bike to a

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to a newer modern one yeah I feel like it's going to be probably a lot more stable good news is if you buy like a bike nowadays you can kind of bet I mean

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maybe it won't totally bet on this but I'm pretty confident it's not going to be all that much different 10 years from

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now at least in terms of GE I'm sure we'll get some fancy things maybe maybe gearboxes will develop or some crazy

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things like that but I don't think the Geo is going to be all that different I think we've kind of peaked out there yeah I I agree with that statement yeah

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I would agree as well next question thanks Jared

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yeah there just no thought it off for my input there yeah what is up with the great Kettle glove Famine of 2023 when

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will those baddies be back in stock oh add a little spice there uh the kettle

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gloves so we made a fair weather glove which I enjoyed I liked it gloves are very highly personal preference and we

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decided to go a different route for the next glove model and we're going to make a super lightweight glove which has been

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amazing we've got the final protos the touchscreen sensitivity is incredible it's like embedded into all of the

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fabric not just lines on there so yeah it's a super nice Ultra lightweight glove it'll be called the vent glove and

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it'll actually be coming roughly November SL early December wow perfect for uh

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cold weather perfect for the weather it's a vent glove well you know what yeah we're literally getting like the lightest weight breathable summertime

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glove showing up in November but you know we just we didn't really care about when it came we cared about making a

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really really good glove have you worn it I have worn it yeah it's nice I do like it yeah yeah yeah super nice

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lightweight uh type glove yeah I can't I can't wait for him actually I've been I've been putting off getting more

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gloves because of this wow yeah they're going to be nice we have our worldwide

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up gloves which are quite nice but they're a little hot for Midsummer riding so I have like one pair of really

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thin gloves that have just been milk and waiting for these ones cuz I don't want to buy anything nice yeah yeah yeah hand

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up gloves are sweet they've got so many different models and styles and colors in stock they do make a lightweight one

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I just only have the the worldwide one that we have so yeah yeah that little collab glove we made with hand up is

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sweet but yeah so an ultra lightweight Kettle glove is coming sometime November SL early December

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sick it's GNA be nice it's going to be nice yeah there you go Kettle glove Famine of 2023 will be over in 2024 and

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yes in late 23 late 23 all righty how about this one hey

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guys greetings from Austria I really enjoy your podcast YouTube videos yeah I think that was supposed to say I learned

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a lot from them got cut off I recently bought a new bike right on swoop and notice the rear end feels really stiff

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no matter what I already tried having more sag less spacers but it only got a tiny bit better so I wonder if running a

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vivid or coil shock might help current shock is a Super Deluxe Select Plus

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thanks in advance keep up the great educational work yeah you know Liam this kind of reminds me of a bike that we

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both had a little while back the Mand drer F Podium with the shock tune that was a little too harsh yeah the shock

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tune that came stock on the bike was just too harsh yeah nothing you really could do I actually

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like did not drive with it I didn't like it on like slower speed stuff you know

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but like as a bike you definitely had to ride basically at PACE for it to come alive like if you're yeah you're moving

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through Sycamore and going really fast is great and like super supportive but if you had had slow speed Tech it was

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like you're just getting like rocked off the thing one thing I would do before buying a new shock is get that shock

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serial number and contact Rock shocks or a rock shock service center and try to

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see what tune is on there um that way you don't just buy a new shock and it happens to have a very similar tune

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which should make a very similar feeling shock even though it's a coil or

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Vivid ham yeah like you know yeah go in a vivid might help a bit coil shock you

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know obviously has coil shock characteristics but those Tunes make a huge difference um and sometimes bite

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companies you know don't nail it and you know sometimes uh making a little softer

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on the tune can make a massive difference so I would I would go that route first see if that's an option um

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and then you know it's also cheaper send it out probably 200 bucks get it retuned see if that works and then you know look

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for a different shock if that still doesn't work there you go yeah also likely not the case because it sounds

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like an experienced writer asking this question but make sure your rebound is not just too slow cuz some people have

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rebound way too slow and it'll just pack up and they're like this feels so stiff and it's like well it's cuz you're just sitting way too packed up in the shock

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and your rebounds way too slow good point I don't know if the depending on yeah also you know make sure your

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compressions are open yeah that too exactly I don't know what SE I forget what Select Plus has for adjustments but

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MH yeah make sure everything's you know pretty open and and you're you're working on that as well yeah on that

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rebound note I open up my rebound a little more on I think it was my lyric and and I was like wow it actually is

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amazing how much of a difference it makes just speeding up the rebound a little bit it um because yeah I was just worried about like you know speeding it

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up too much and like getting you know bounced off of things but ended up being a really nice in between yep it's all

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about balance there can't have it too slow to where it packs up and you can't have it too fast to where it feels like you're bouncing around yeah I always try

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to run mine a touch faster um It Feels Good Jeff runs his quite a bit faster than I do MH um so I I try to go towards

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a little bit faster it feels good doesn't doesn't pack up or anything yeah good to experiment with that stuff for

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sure all right well we've got an important message announcement very

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important very important and now a word from our sponsors hey guys Jeff again

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quick note that for the month of November we will shamefully be participating in the crazy consumerism

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Madness that the United States has left upon us meaning we are having big sales

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on the worldwide cycl website the kettle Mountain website and the trail 1 website so if you're looking to buy some stuff

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now is the absolute best time to do it because we are going deep on the discounts and maybe we'll do some funny

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uh video again where Jared's pooping bike parts like we did last year that was pretty funny November blowout that's

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all I got thank you and now back to the show all right this is a Hot Topic right

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combo take it away boys well if you want to be a real mountain bike you need it to come with a tailgate pad duh well

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yeah definitely duh this is very I just think it's personal preference you know it is personal preference what else are you going to use your truck for you're

28:50

not going to only use it for driving to the trails well maybe I will say having a truck with a tailgate pad is immensely

28:57

convenient yeah it's the easiest way to toss your bike on the back of a truck it's way easier than a bike rack and you

29:03

can put five bikes on there which is really convenient when you're shuttling and like just having a truck is nice yeah put a kayak in there snowboards in

29:09

there toss a Mal bike in the tailgate bam it is not without its faults see you have a truck you have five people in it

29:16

and you're shuttling five bikes what if you're going camping where are you going to put all that gear you might not have

29:22

space see this is where you get a Land Rover you get a lr3 LR4 you get a

29:27

going to SLE five people inside your Land Rover not mine but lr3 LR4 has a third row so you can get the nor rack

29:35

that you can put like eight bikes on or six bikes or whatever you can fit all your homies in there and you have a full

29:40

length roof for roof rack and you have an actual trunk where you can put things in they're not going to get stolen like some sort of

29:47

savage with your open things in your truck for everyone else who has a normal over Kool-Aid drinkers all you are right

29:54

for anyone else has a normal budget maybe you know like a SUV hey you can pick up a lr3 LR4 for a

30:02

very reasonable price these days this cars are like 10 years old what's the cost to own I want how much it costs to

30:09

own it's about smiles and Miles tell you what get out of here smes and Miles you expect me not to rep my set let's go hav

30:17

on a camel trophy Land Rover and put a Tesla motor in it oh God you trying to

30:22

make people R in their grave right now well awesome you cannot take an authentic camel trophy Landover and put

30:29

a Tesla enge in it but you could take any other old Landover and put a Tesla enge in it but a camel trophy one you

30:34

that's like you have to like preserve it in like a air Tye I know man you know people puta engines in smart cars well

30:41

yeah because there's nothing better to do with it nobody cares what you do to have freaking Smart Car haven't you ever seen pit my ride if you showed up to pit

30:48

my ride you ever seen a Land Rover on pit my ride no they don't need sh up to Land Rover with an old truck not even

30:55

pimp Worthy now what I have is a van yep

31:02

I'm a van guy very practical yeah can easily throw bikes inside can easily throw bikes on the bike rack I can sleep

31:09

in it I have a Frid sleeping is nice yeah you know I'm going to be honest with you Liam if I could get a van I

31:15

would have one the last time a Land Rover my friend oh you got to ble that

31:22

Out PG-13 and you we were in Mammoth for the camping trip last year and I said

31:27

never going to do it again no that was last year is in 2022 oh you slept in it then and you didn't like it yeah too

31:33

small too tight man yeah it's not long enough for you huh it was kind of not

31:39

perfectly flat huh it has a little I kind of got it flatten out inside of it like with a platform and had stuff

31:45

underneath but like I was like okay well I got to go to the bathroom now I got to get out of the car and open it and then

31:51

P's like oh what are you doing like well yeah I got to get out of the car to go pee and then I'm like slamming doors in the middle of the night and like rolling

31:57

over her and the bed's all creaky I'm like no you know what no not sleeping in the car anymore I was like in the middle

32:03

of the night I'm like okay there's got to be a place in town I can go bu a tent so I don't have to sleep in this damn thing one more time wow and you you know

32:10

what I was doing yeah you had your big man you're you weren't even in the van you let J sleep in the van yeah you were

32:16

in a tent you were in the tent on the ground I'm all about the tent life yeah but usually I am in my van that's the

32:22

one occasion I give my van up to let our HR sleep in cuz she's a fate of bears

32:28

well that's so that's the thing it's like yeah I love my vehicle there was a massive bear that year because we left out all this pizza there was a huge bear

32:35

everyone had too many Frosty Beverages and just left out a bunch of Pizza on the tables and there was a huge bear

32:40

raiding the campsite the next morning Bear Country yeah I mean yeah we're completely off topic on this you know regardless yeah the the right car for

32:47

you is what what fits in your budget something like that you know resonates with you like for me I love Land Rovers

32:53

so that's what I love like I personally like to look at my vehicle and go oh that thing's cool yeah right so I like

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the convenience of a truck and I just don't sleep in it often enough that I would care to get an SUV or a van like I

33:06

just don't do it I'm always transporting bikes so often that having a van is just so nice just to lock it up in there and

33:13

yeah be good although if I was about a week different on my timing might have

33:19

just purchased your Tacoma yeah yeah true but yeah there is no real replacement for being able to have your

33:25

bike locked in the van like yeah that is going when I used to have a 4Runner I used to just put the bike inside the

33:30

4Runner and I'd never have to worry about it yeah for sure so yeah it really just whatever whatever fits with your

33:37

lifestyle you know like if you have a family and you know you're not just going to get like like a you know Silly

33:43

truck just to take bikes to thehood but kind of what I got from all this we're kind of all on like an SUV or van or

33:52

truck but that's what's all between you can lock your bike in SUV you've got two or three rows depending on the model you

33:59

can fold the seats down you could probably if it's big enough SUV you could probably sleep in it pretty

34:04

comfortably yeah good compromise tell you what though uh Dodge Caravan cargo Edition oh

34:13

bring if you're already happily married and probably going to be with that woman for the rest of your life and you really don't care about how you look uh Dodge

34:20

Caravan cargo Edition we've got one in our Pennsylvania store that we used to drive mountain bike parts back and forth

34:27

no this one's a cargo Edition so it's not even Stone go it's just literally has like truck bed liner plastic liner

34:33

in the whole back so there's only two front seats and then it's just all plastic liner in the back so it's

34:38

basically just a van with sliding doors it's just an empty van yeah basically with with yeah that liner in there and

34:44

it's amazing cuz you can just throw multiple bikes in there lock it up you could totally sleep in there fit a ton

34:50

of stuff old yeah Transit Connect or ram ram proom Master City for that or one of

34:56

those Mercedes metc like yeah yeah those are all great um whenever we take road

35:02

trips which we've we're not like road trips we're flying to somewhere and drive somewhere we always rent those Chrysler

35:07

voyagers go seating we made a sweet commercial about one have three seats

35:13

going and three bikes and evok bags in there and all your luggage and I can't believe Chrysler didn't give us a car

35:18

for that ad yeah we tried to make an ad if you're watching this on YouTube We crushed it yeah we did make an ad if

35:23

you're watching this on YouTube you will see the ad no to put that ad in we'll key that up

35:29

we didn't I don't know why we decided we just had so much fun driving a minivan we thought we'd make a an advertisement

35:35

for it what was that pass I got to rip on that kebler keer pass color yeah when

35:40

we drove into Crest yeah one of the only times you can like beat the Google estimated time of arrival by 40 minutes

35:47

yeah driving like a rally driver MH you know I got to say also if you're not into a SUV truck I mean like a Subaru

35:54

would also probably work pretty well is one of the most popular cars mountain bikers haveu all drive you can put a

36:00

hitch on it yeah or a Forester like I had cross TR it was just a little bit too small yeah for like if you want to

36:06

get other people in bikes and stuff camping gear speaking of limited cargo space um but yeah Subaru you get a

36:13

little roof box on there and a bike rack you're good to go man yep there you go

36:19

even you could even have a rally car and a bike you know I mean come on there you go get WRX STI speaking of uh cars

36:28

did that on purpose I did that on purpose yeah trying to slide them into the same spot like that a perfect seg

36:34

right there read it up all right hey guys I recently blew up the motor in my truck again I'm thinking of using my

36:41

aggressive hardel as a commuter until I can afford another motor or car what are some good 275 in Tire options for

36:48

commuting and Dorking around on the road also are bigger odors a worthwhile upgrade with lower-end brakes thanks

36:56

Ricky yes sup Bean Ricky Ricky with two RS I don't know if this question is

37:02

serious or not but we'll answer it we will address it as if it is a serious one so 27 and 1 12 inch tire options for

37:09

commuting and Dorking around on the road well do they make a Maxis hookworm in 275 they do I a better a

37:18

better Schwab might have a cool7 plus hookworm would be sick like

37:24

if you're yeah not if you're not planning on going on the dirt at all I mean a hookworm would be I was thinking

37:30

Holy Roller which is a they don't make it in a 275 really I

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know they make the hookworm at 29 I'm not sure about 275 h i mean a icon if you're going on

37:43

the dirt what's the what they do make a hookworm in a 275 oh there you go which is basically a slick there you go from

37:49

Maxis but it's like make it in a 275 Max's hookworm mhm legendary 275 by

37:59

2.5 it's a big fat slick tire that is so cool you could go on the dirt with that thing too not the mud I would toss some

38:06

of those on there and rip that thing wow until you buy yourself an

38:12

lr3 yes LR4 that's our guy he's a Land Rover convert yeah I mean that would be

38:18

super sick honestly I've never ridden hookworms but I've always wanted to they looks so

38:24

cool what if I put some worms on the L he huh what do you think about that and just used it for

38:32

commuting I don't know that doesn't make any sense I know it doesn't at all that's also a 29er you have a lot more

38:37

Tire options that's true yeah yeah I could put hookworms on the ebike page has wouldn't be much sketchy ebike yeah

38:45

what's the brand of that thing aventon don't ever buy any of those if you're listening to that is the I think we

38:52

talked about this before but essentially what your mom bought it rode it crashed

38:57

broke ribs and then gave it to you and then we were riding did you ride

39:02

it it just gets massive head wobbles the uh head tube is so steep that is

39:09

dangerous to ride and it's fast which makes it extremely dangerous to ride you know what that reminds me of do you

39:15

remember when we were kids those things called atc's it was a three whe it was like a quad with a motor three wheer did

39:21

you ever ride those yeah dude they banned them literally made them illegal United States ilal to make but you could

39:28

still own them if you had them my bud's dad had two of them with banse two-stroke Motors in them yeah I

39:35

remember seeing one and we would sneak them out into the river bottom and we would go rip those things and we got

39:41

ejected multiple times off these things so dangerous so sketch that's that's what Jared's mom's ebike reminds me of

39:47

yeah you take your hands off the bars dangerous didn't you determine that it

39:53

was because there's no like rake to the fork like the axle basically right into the yeah the whole concept of of like

39:59

understanding and correctly engineering Trail offset and head tube angle is just out the window on that bike out the

40:06

window which is why your mom crashed it I don't blame her whatsoever that thing's treacherous to ride and which is why you can't ride at no hands and to

40:12

make it even more dangerous it has a throttle yeah right you don't even have to Pedal Lally has a throttle a class

40:19

two e bike right not a class one yep yep so you can throttle it and I also hack it to go over 30 m hour

40:28

yeah it's great for going to buy one of those no buy or beware there's a lot of

40:33

random strange brand ebikes right now that are not welld designed no so if

40:39

you're buying a commuter one be careful yeah well there's so many you may buy it from your mom for Christmas and you

40:44

might break cool ebike commuter that I really love the lamond bikes have you

40:50

guys seen those no lemon like lemon cycling they make an ebike commuter they only make ebikes look at it right now L

40:57

only bikes what do you mean that's a they made a bunch of other bikes did and they went out of business boner bought them or GRE lemon the old road racer oh

41:05

this is like the rad power type bike oh lemond yeah leemond bikes Le when I was

41:11

a kid working at uh a local bike shop we sold Lamont at some point they got

41:17

bought by track right oh they have oh it's like a gravel B look at that thing Dude Looks Like A yeah oh that looks

41:24

awesome look pretty SLE so rad it's like a flat bar commute is that that's an ebike yeah can't even see that there's a

41:31

motor in there L if you're listening I would love to test one for you six grand

41:37

huh yeah they're not cheap they're it's because it's an that's what real ebikes cost yeah yeah not two grand from some

41:43

random website and you're going get squirly and break Von incorrect engineering crash Avon don't get it was

41:52

a fixie brand I believe and when fixies lost their big hype they probably jumped

41:58

on the ebike train yeah these are super cool looking bikes you literally can't even see the motor battery or anything

42:04

yeah I've had a lot of uh random friends reach out to me in the last few years

42:09

that just say hey can you recommend an ebike I really want to get something and and I try and explain to them the price

42:16

point that they're need going to they're need basically have to spend to get something of quality and they're just really upset about it yeah it's like I

42:24

sorry do not buy an ebike from Amazon for 1500 bucks I think like a commona or

42:30

Canyon or someone has a pretty affordable like full suspension even a hard TA E Bike yeah that's probably

42:35

where I'd go yeah you go like yeah Big Brand you're probably okay um but yeah like even that like rad power company

42:41

they're in like a couple of huge lawsuits cuz people die riding those I mean

42:47

jeez well there's a lot of crazy stuff going on with ebikes batteries blowing up the consumer uh consumer product

42:54

safety commission trying to get uh like all these ebike Brands to have UL Standard Electric Chargers so light on

43:01

fire that there was a bike shop in the news that lit on fire because they were charging an ebike over couple of them are in New York New York's passing some

43:07

actual laws with it about it they're having bike shops are being dropped by

43:12

their insurance providers their liability insurance for their shop because of ebikes being in there wow

43:18

yeah but the insurance company of course isn't disclosing specifically that's what it dropped them for but that's obviously the W consensus jeez yeah I

43:26

mean I've seen videos of the ebike batteries like exploding on the Chargers and it's like wow do not yeah the reason

43:32

number two do not buy a cheap Chinese ebike off Amazon yeah you do not want your house to burn down because of it

43:38

yep you got to go you got to go bougie when it comes to ebikes Y can't go cheap well that was quite the tangent and uh

43:45

to answer the second part of the question yes bigger odors are worthwhile upgrade for I forgot about that

43:51

completely forgot what question we were even answering yes they are worthwhile how about the next question

43:56

okay I see some sham chains that specify axis in the product title is that really

44:01

a thing or are we good with using a non-axis tagged chain on an axis derailer also can anyone actually spell

44:08

derailer without autocorrect yes I can but only because no way we've been spelling yes I can d e

44:16

r a i l e u r um I have because it's taken me a long time probably I've

44:22

worked you can't even spell trail or trial correctly I can spell them both I just typed too

44:28

fast this is in the Liam roast podcast all you have to do is pronounce it like

44:34

how it's supposed to be der der derer it's a der but it never spell it wrong ever

44:40

again like the British way they just called a Mech Mech oh you got your rear Mech mate it's a Mech your rear Mech oh

44:45

your Mech is crashed it it probably took me two or three years of working customer service to be able to spell it

44:51

correctly all right well let's answer this guy's question about the access chain oh yeah no you don't only t if you

44:56

have t type you should get T type chain T type has a specific transission what it's actually called I think what they

45:02

did when this happened was like this called ttype 2 why did they do that t type and transmission why didn't they

45:07

just pick one SEO it's an SEO nightmare it is a SEO

45:13

nightmare no so they have 12-speed Eagle chains which work across everything you

45:20

could run NX chain 12sp speed on xx1 or xx1 chain on NX and anything in between

45:27

axis just specifies the colored chains that they came out with later yeah so I

45:33

think the the rainbow is called axis maybe only

45:39

rainbow actually yeah when I was looking at the side that's what it said only rainbow cuz yeah cuz remember they had like Eagle AIS cassette but it was like

45:46

just the colors they came out with when they came out AIS and everybody's like oh do I need this if I have access like

45:51

no yeah all that eagle stuff's compatible with itself aside from yeah transmission T type which you do need a

45:59

transmission or t type chain that stuff's all specific and those are a little expensive so Ram just had to go and confuse

46:05

everybody yeah what was funny is I think that original at least from what I remember some of the original sales copy

46:11

when they put a XS they're like access and it's all cross compatible it's all accessible from different things you can

46:16

use xx1 x01 and GX and all matches family and then they're like and here's

46:22

G type and none of it's compatible with all the old stuff and it's but T typ

46:27

compatible across all T type yes so GX to X XSL is still all compatible makx a

46:33

match yes speaking of drivetrains why in the world are bikes still coming with

46:39

175 millim and 17 mm cranks why I think 170s are still relevant I think 175s are

46:48

uh for 80 to 90% of people trash yeah I

46:53

guess it depends on the bike but yeah there is a lot of trail bikes that are Trail on and duro bikes that are still coming with crank lengths that just

46:59

don't really make any sense 175 doesn't make any sense yeah 175 old school I

47:06

haven't R 175 cranks in 10 years I never have in my life I um I mean is it simply

47:13

because that there's still the product out there and we're transitioning away to a shorter crank length and they just

47:19

need to use these cranks and it can also be bad spec managers I know one company

47:26

Road 175s up until like two or three years ago because the owner of the

47:32

company overruled all the spec decisions oh these ones are better so wow yeah and

47:39

then there's 100 employees telling them otherwise and um hundreds and hundreds of uh consumers customers that buy bike

47:47

and sell the crank set so 170s I think are okay I think it's a good starting point yeah but I do think if you're ring

47:54

a proper endur you basically should be on 165s in my in my opinion I agree yeah

47:59

I mean just the way that Geo's evolved and bikes are so low nowadays and if you're pedaling an Enduro bike up techie

48:06

trails and it's sitting that low like you kind of have to have 165 otherwise you're just going to whack your pedals

48:11

yeah it's been kind of proven that you know 170s to 165s you don't really get any less efficient but you can actually

48:18

spend better circles and it's more relevant on like XC or road bike but hip flexes are more open therefore you can

48:24

put out more power hm so yeah you know it's just it's just different things if

48:30

if you're really concerned about figuring out power and watts and Q factor and all that stuff then you're

48:36

probably on the cross countryroads side you might be a little bit more concerned with figuring out the exact right crank length for you and your situation but if

48:42

you are not doing that and you just want your pedals to not smash into the ground and you're riding a you know 130 mil

48:48

bike or longer travel then yeah just go 170 or 165 yeah yep think so I think so

48:55

yeah all right hey hey why'd you just yell that because it has exclamation point yeah hey go ahead Lan I was

49:04

wondering if you could cover your go-to chain sizing method and other methods of choice out there I don't know that other

49:11

methods of choice means uh for all bike types small small big big are you following manufacturers instruction

49:18

instructions solely thanks love the podcast um up until transmission I

49:24

pretty much didn't necessarily listen to the manufacturers installation instructions and I always

49:31

went through the well this is I guess according to mountain bike with a single

49:37

front chain ring cuz I haven't set upem a one by I haven't set up a two by system in decades probably at least a

49:44

decade ages ago um so for one buy I go through the rear derailer as if it was

49:49

routed correctly make sure you don't uh go over the tab so it rubs on your rear

49:55

derailer which happens with a lot of shano derailers cuz it makes no sense where it is um I go over the cassette

50:01

and I go around the chain ring and then I come to the bottom and I basically make sure that there's just enough

50:06

tension on the derailer so it's it actually has some tension in that smallest uh Cog and then I cut the

50:15

chain so and then by that point you know you can get up to your uh small small

50:22

small small small small doesn't really mean small small because the front just yeah is but for most all systems you can

50:29

shift into your largest Cog or your first gear or whatever you want to call it your easiest gear um and still have

50:35

some movement for the suspension to move in that situation with current modern

50:41

Drive chains from like 11 speed on up they have enough chain wrap and they've been designed around that so but then

50:48

came a long T type and it's a lot more specific how you got to cut that chain it's very very specific and you really

50:54

need to follow dire basically you just need to look up your bike model on the Ram's uh database MH and it'll tell you

51:02

exactly how many links to cut your chain two mhm so you actually don't have to guess you just have to look it up and

51:07

follow instructions it's true yeah but what if your bike is not on the database I think every every bike with the udh is

51:14

on the database unless you have like a small what about Nico's framework yeah exactly a small handmade bike um a

51:21

bespoke bike but then you put in I think you put in your suspension type High pivot normal uh

51:28

your chain Len your chain stay length um and your front chain ring size and it basically spits it out for you there you

51:36

go sounds you like that one Jeff yeah Prett there you go hopefully that works

51:41

wow mhm wraps that one up huh next question when I was a kid in

51:48

late 80s early 90s getting into trail riding and mountain biking in central Pennsylvania a bunch of people were

51:53

riding with bar ends that extended forward with the presumable purpose of offering a different grip on the bars

51:59

when climbing obviously Nobody Does that anymore why not and what happened what

52:04

other MTB Innovations have come and gone or what are we doing now that may go the

52:09

way of the dodo PS I'm a huge fan of Liam but feel the need to note that pet rocks seem to have gone the way of the

52:15

dodo no offense to King lentil intended is that why the rock got put on the

52:21

table no it's a coincidence no unless you saw that and put it on the table no I don't know what the way of the dodo

52:26

means so so his insult went right over my head the way of the doo basically means that uh it's extinct doesn't

52:31

happen anymore like like bar to go the way of the dodo means that something is destined to go out of existence your

52:37

barends went in the way of the dodo yeah they that's what he said yes um so why

52:42

did they go the way of the dodo and what other Innovations have come and gone or what are we doing now that will do that

52:49

I think mountain bike uh geometry and position has changed a lot when you're running bar ends you were also running

52:56

like 65050 mil bars and 100 Mil stems true um and you needed the leverage to

53:02

get far out there to crank up hill yeah the GE was so messed up yeah Bas road

53:08

bikes Offroad so you needed that leverage um as bikes got longer slacker

53:13

stems got shorter and bars got wider you got the leverage you needed from those bar ends um and quite honestly they're

53:21

they're dangerous you hooked on stuff they're totally on trees and dangerous and they're just

53:27

not necessary the way that the bike geometry evolved you'll see some

53:33

mountain bike marathon races like cross country races or people at Leadville will put those on the inside of the

53:38

grips now what are they call them the spr up it's called toss.com yeah you had those don't you

53:44

leam I did you those on yeah I tried them once I think James and some of his friends ride those things out I didn't

53:50

really enjoy them cuz I actually like to rest my hands kind of over the top of that

53:56

um and not like Leverage that but uh no they'll use the actual old school ones like the two or three in ones on the

54:03

inside of the grips oh yeah I've seen those and use them as like mini extensions almost wow but on the inside not on the outside okay yeah okay cuz

54:10

I've seen like some uron grips that you could still get those crazy yeah uron grips have some models that still have the sort of bar and funky funky looking

54:17

things yeah just think the way geometry is gone and bars got wider stems got shorter you didn't really need that

54:23

leverage that was provided yeah wow to be honest I didn't really ride mountain bikes when those were in in so honestly

54:30

me neither I mean those started fading out in I don't know late 90s maybe yeah

54:36

90s late maybe early time ever seen yeah when I was a kid there you go I I mean

54:41

it is nice too like just just for clarity though I I move my hands around a lot like if I'm climbing or something

54:47

or like big long days I don't always have my hands in the normal riding position I'll like put them on the end

54:52

like this or I'll like hang them over the front or I like to drape them brake levers basically I get some

54:59

forearm pain too if I ride super long time without like climbing and twisting my wrist in a like vertical fashion H so

55:07

what do we think that might go the way of the dodo now with bikes yeah 175 mil cranks on

55:13

mountain bikes yeah that should be the way the doo already yeah uh super boost

55:18

oh that would be great yeah I mean less less standards

55:24

like that I don't know or like the difference between 20x 110 boost and 20x

55:31

110 regular why is that that's pretty n what is happening with super boost it's been

55:38

a lot of new frames that just aren't is not coming with super boost yeah for what I know it's like salsa pivot and

55:44

evil I think use super boost yeah stupid boost remember when I was trying to

55:50

convince you to go on change.org and start a petition start a petition and and then you're like I don't know man

55:56

says it needs to be like a serious like political or societal thing it is serious

56:02

stupid I guess we're not actually that serious about this yeah like looked there's like All These Warnings terms

56:07

and conditions and they're like oh yeah we probably shouldn't be like making using this as a joke apparently change that orus for real things not not not

56:13

people to make jokes about stupid boost and super boost oh man last question

56:19

last question we don't have time for it you're going to have to rip these notes from the past okay notes from past well since I'm listening to your most recent

56:25

one and apparently want emails about your podcast here you go I have tried listening to other bike podcasts and honestly cannot get into them like the

56:31

pink bike one is absolutely Dreadful I actually look forward to your podcast all the time I genuinely can't think of

56:37

anything I would change I wouldn't be upset if you talked about single speeding once or twice though it's because of your podcast that I try to

56:43

buy from you guys when I can afford to I'm currently rocking Kettle shorts and I ride not the newest bike specific ones

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which I hope to get soon the kettle stuff is really nice one day I'll have some more anyways great podcast have a

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peachy J Tyson thank you Tyson we really appreciate that you just read a testimonial I thought this were notes

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from the past it was a note it was a teson but it wasn't a note from past

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episode like correcting us or or or adding into a question that we asked no not necessarily but it is relating to

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the last episode and that's why I put it there and you know what can a guy brag a little bit we got a great podcast and he

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said we're better than pink bike and it it is the most highly reviewed mountain bike podcast in the world I think single

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spe not much competition but true yeah I think I think single speeds are cool and our boy who rides for Revel Gordon just

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won single speed World Championships oh yeah in Spain pretty sick bike uh

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LFE yeah LFE that's what I'm talking about um single speeds are sweet and if I was tougher and or had flattered

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terrain I would love to ride single speed but I'm wussy and we have really steep hills around here but if you got that chain ring tattoo with the ratio on

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the back of your calf you do it my calfs are all tattooed up in my room so

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that's it that's all for this episode if you've made it that far this far thank you very much we genuinely appreciate it

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next one thank you