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Do You NEED a UDH? Tubeless Tips, Tires For Certain Conditions, Lost Weight? Less Pressure...Ep. 118 [Podcast]

MTBpodcast · Do You NEED a UDH? Tubeless Tips, Tires For Certain Conditions, Lost Weight? Less Pressure...Ep. 118

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ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 118 of the MTB podcast presented and
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hosted by worldwide Cyclery I am Jared I am Jeff and I'm Liam you think I was
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going to say Jeff again weren't you no I'm Jeff's just for for those of you watching uh I am getting a haircut
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tomorrow so hold your comments I really am getting here oh yeah because
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normally a hair is just like not weird well it's not quite this long I'm looking a bit scruffy in this
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episode we are going to stand by what we always do Entertain You mountain bikers and hopefully offer some good education
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of mountain bike knowledge and interesting things in the mountain bike industry on top of that we're going to
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discuss the Adventure Race that I did of which I barely survived why did you put barely survived in all caps I didn't
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barely survive I survived it you thrived I had to make it I won't say I thrive but I survive I had to add some dry
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uh Jared's tubeless tire setup fail which I don't really know if that's a topic to discuss why don't we just get
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it out of the way yeah it's just Jared blew up a tire in the warehouse today and it was super loud sealant went everywhere it happens now and then yeah
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if you pump up a tubeless tire sometimes they blow off the bead and yeah it's more like a PSA yeah be careful and
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don't yeah be careful pumping up I used the extremely high flow nozzle
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that doesn't have a pressure gauge on it um without a valve core without a valve
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core that's what you do if you're in the situation where you can't get the thing
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to beat you don't even try that that's what happened last time I had a really hard time beating this tire so I was
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like all right I'm gonna take all the precautions this time and I'm gonna go full high flow
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oh gosh well yeah okay yes or no but that's what I did I was
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like okay well if you would have seen the whole dilemma last time you would have you would understood because I think no I know not the tire everyone
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has had that problem where you can't get a tubeless tire to be yeah blowing air and do it with the compressor and it
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just won't it wasn't doing that so I was like all right well and that's when you resort to this plan B you take the valve
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core out the nozzle that's what I did and yeah it seated I was like oh maybe it's gonna maybe there's one more in
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there you know and I just sure enough it just 180 PSI yeah I know
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but it was a gravel tire so to let people know yeah it was like a small
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volume tires yeah no pressure regulation just be careful guys
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yeah because it could actually be dangerous you can like like get a lot of sealant thrown into your
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eyes at like a high velocity yeah worst that happened was I just ruined a shirt and uh a tire and all I know is I looked
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over and I asked a few okay and you were okay and I just thought oh workers comp claim passed
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yeah it was it was thankfully we could all laugh about it you know it happened
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it was mainly just be careful pumping up tires yeah we've all done it it's much more rare though now with how good uh
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combinations are yeah yeah the inches have gotten a lot better but that is one of those things I've ever blown up so
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many like stands conversion you know it stands conversion setups those are sketched what is that yeah exactly
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they're just like you can convert like Dan's no tubes yeah you just make a conversion kit to make your non-tools tires tubeless yeah whoa yeah okay so
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yeah old school stuff man so for your time bro yeah it's like a like a tubeless Rim
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strip that you basically put in that raises the basically the um bead hook or the wall to the rim to
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make a shorter more like grippable okay surface or wall shelf to put the tire on
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interesting but like nothing was good tires weren't good the rims were all out of whack everything was like not perfect
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and like multiples would blow I blow off like two a day sometimes like two minutes because they're just you're just
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trying to make some work that's not supposed to work wow but also thankfully there wasn't a ton of sealant in there there wasn't like an ounce of sealant in
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there you still went everywhere a huge mess could have been so much worse so yeah
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you know that was all good yeah the last one I blew up was also a Gravel Road tire but I wasn't even I had already
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filled it up tested it brought it back working on a computer then it blew up yeah yeah crazy
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I don't even know if I've ever seen it happen that they're shot I think Jason did one oh yeah a few times here yeah
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okay yeah it's been a while be careful be careful tubeless tires are dangerous don't do what I did don't do what Jared
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did yeah uh we're also going to answer listener questions ranging from mountain bike crimes to Tire combos human tails
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and everything in between Trails or tails I should start reading these before I'm really glad you know I think you
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should leave it how it is and don't read them and then you're surprised well Jared usually throws everything in there
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I go in and go no no no no and then Jeff sometimes comes in and goes na na na more yeah but when he doesn't it's good
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yeah yeah you know Daniel's fun fact a new segment of the episode yes you are more likely to be killed by a cow than a
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shark that's right is that proven yes so apparently there's only about five shark related deaths in
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the U.S per year whereas there's over 20 Cal related deaths typically by either
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Goring trampling or combination what about crunching into account or
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parking um that could be like a town a car once did you yeah barley luckily not bad it
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was in it was in Hawaii we were coming down a Canyon road at night time and in Maui those things are all over that one
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road to the top and uh by the time it came into the headlights it was boonie
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my friend booty Slams on the brakes and and we hit it but just enough to mess up
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the bumper but it didn't hurt the thing too bad it kind of limped off but wow that thing was way bigger than the car
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oh yeah it was a massive animal I mean if he hadn't hit the brakes that hard that could have been a you know into the
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windshield situation so yeah that's why you could be killed by a cow well yeah also kicking trampling and going I mean
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imagine the horns of a bull I mean that'll get you yeah geez yeah
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um yeah so be careful of the cows people and tires
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hey I haven't I have a related question it might be a little off topic so let me
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go cow tipping and cows go on their sides is it true that they die because they can't get up from their side they
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gotta be able to get up that's what Weaver told me when we were driving up to five through the leaves and I was like there's no way dude they have to
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get up and he goes no that's why cow tipping's so bad because every time you tip a cow they die no it's because you
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might die because they might kick you I don't know I have no idea I mean even horses like this
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you know just let us know I don't think a cow would die I would
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never I would never push an animal it just seems right it's not that does not interest me at all well especially one
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that's like 700 times your size yeah maybe not seven inches I mean of all the times Evolution and stuff that's gone
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down you think that it would just die from falling over I don't know Turtles what if they get flipped
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that's true Turtles we are off topic yeah
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uh the last episode I talked about the Adventure Race that I was about to go do and I did it and it was it was way
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harder than I thought it was uh it was all if you say that about as what a 72 hour
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or 80 hours 75 hours took us 75 hours uh we slept a total of five hours
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uh within that 75 hours and yeah it was almost 200 miles total between kayaking
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trekking and uh mountain biking and 30 000 feet of elevation
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uh yeah it was it was really hard I think that I think the hardest part one of the elevation is just tough right
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because Breckenridge is 9 500 feet the majority of the race was well above 10 or 11 000 so elevation was was
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challenging and then uh yeah just being out there all night the sleep deprivation was super hard and just
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having to continue on no matter how you feel I think was the hardest thing I
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think we're all kind of used to like well we got into a huge day but you're just kind of still always comfortably in
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bed at night time exactly yeah but this was three nights where you just the
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sleep is horrible you're sleep deprived your stomach hurts your nose is stuffed up you just don't feel good and you just
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have to keep going um and your body's just slowly deteriorating on you I actually felt the
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best the third day I think by the third day my body maybe sort of gave up and said all right well this is what we're
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doing all right this is how life goes now and I felt a little bit better that's like a common theme of stuff like
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even when I used to to do like big like training weeks you get past the third day and your body just kind of becomes
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numb to stuff yeah yeah there's a Netflix documentary called the iron Cowboy
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um oh I've seen it yeah yeah I don't remember the guy's name well he did or Iron Man's in a row right
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50 Iron Man's in 50 states in 50 days yeah wow that was the goal and they made
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a documentary about it it's it's pretty interesting and I think the worst condition he was in was that you know
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fourth or fifth day his body was just falling apart his feet wouldn't fit in his shoes and there's the scene of him
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walking into uh walking into the swim one morning and he's just all he's just
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limping and just like five days into this how's he going to do this but actually he gets better as as the days
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go on wow it's a Well Done documentary too I definitely recommend watching it it was pretty cool so what was like the
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thing keeping you going you're thinking like oh man like that that chicken sandwich at the end of this is or like
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that beer I know you're not like a huge beer guy or whatever but like what was it that like just the end just the end
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just like I can't wait to be done with this a bed yeah yeah yeah just to be done with it yeah sure did you get
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Goggins on it yeah I don't know not not really I mean I think we for the most part we're in
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pretty positive Spirits some of the sleep deprivation was really tough there was a time where I was walking behind Greg my the one teammate who did it with
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me and and he tripped and fell onto his hands and I was like what happened he's like I fell asleep what do you mean you
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fell asleep you were walking over like a rough patch of rocks it's like I had to close my eyes and he just fell asleep
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walking like all right we're gonna have to lay here but the weather was it was a lot colder than anticipated and that
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that nightly Dew that would come through those Canyons would just kind of get you soaking wet even though it wasn't raining and you you'd think like oh
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we'll be able to sleep on the trail here and there um but we really couldn't because you can only lay down for about an hour and
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then you were freezing because it was in uh you know mid 40s sometimes high 30s at night time by four in the morning
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when we were still out there so we couldn't really stop we didn't actually have the gear which probably wasn't smart to be honest so we had to just
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keep hammering through to get to the transition area that we could sleep there um a little bit but you can't really
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sleep there because you can't really smoke there it's just it's so noisy um they had they had tents at the
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transition areas there wasn't enough for all the teams because they were just kind of anticipating the teams would
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cycle through and use a tent leave a tent and we got a tent at one of them um but we didn't have sleeping bags we
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didn't have pads we had our emergency bivvies so we got in a tent one of the transition areas got an emergency bivvy
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I woke up in an hour the sun came up we were soaking wet because of the Dew and I just couldn't feel my hands and feet I
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was like we got to go we could just can't stay here so we gotta go um so that was one of the nights of
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sleep was that and the the actually the night prior the first night we slept uh
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two hours in the emergency bivvies in the back of the U-Haul truck that because we got there and the tents were
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full and the U-Haul truck was there that the race promoters used to drive around the bins and stuff we said well can we just sleep in that and they're like yeah
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I'm sure so so we just laid on the on the wood floor of the back yeah it was Dewey right probably yeah
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exactly yeah yeah so that that's where we actually slept two hours the first night one hour the second night and then
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the third night we got uh to the top of peak six in Breckenridge and the little
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ski lift operator Hut was unlocked so we slept on the wood floor in that thing
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for two hours amazing um at like 12 500 feet yeah because the last the last leg of the race was a 27
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mile hike and we started it at 8 pm finished it the next morning at 11 A.M
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um and so but we were at the peak around one or two a.m and that's when I opened the door to that thing and I was like
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there's nowhere else to sleep on this leg so let's just sleep in this little Hut for a little while
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which is I think the best sleep the whole race was the two hours on that floor in that little Hut because there
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was no wind I feel like that's like 27 miles and up to Peak six like he
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probably did a pretty similar route to like what stage five of The Brick epic was yeah yeah you should we should look
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over the map because I think there was stuff we did almost I think over 100 miles of mountain biking throughout the
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race so we must have rode a lot of similar Trails but yeah it was it was so much 75 hours with that little sleep it
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was just way harder than I thought and the checkpoints sometimes we would nail them and we'd get to them and it was easy and other times we wouldn't and
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we'd go rummaging through the bushes our goal became to just get all the checkpoints the races are kind of
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designed for most teams to not be able to do that so I think there's 50 teams that started and only seven got all the
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checkpoints and and we were one of the seven so we were actually really proud of that it's awesome we were the slowest
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team to get all the checkpoints but we still did which we got them all so do they like hide some of them is that like
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yeah some of them are just harder to find so they're these little sort of reflective fabric orange bags and then
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there's a proprietary punch in the bottom of it and you use it to punch your punch card to kind of prove you're
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at that checkpoint okay and then you have a tracker on your shoulder too so they know if you were there as well um and yeah some of them are are right off
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the side of the trail they're easy to find other ones you have to know exactly where you are on the map because it's
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again all map and Compass no electronics allowed you have to know exactly where you are on the map then you have to draw a bearing with your compass and then
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just walk through the woodwork for sometimes a mile just traipsing over trees and climbing through creeks and
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then it's like oh there it is you know and if and if you get slightly off then you run into a creek and you figure out
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where the bend in the creek is and you have to figure out if you need to go up the creek or down the creek you can so some of them are a lot harder to get than others which is why most teams
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don't get them and because they're you know even there'll be one checkpoint and it'll be eight miles out of the way and
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that's why checkpoints are weighted way heavier than time in these Adventure races so if you get all the checkpoints
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and you're 10 hours behind a team that got all of them but one you still win so checkpoints always take precedent that
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makes sense um so yeah it was well it was wild that was super hard it was it was way more challenging and hardly than
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I thought it was just really out of the comfort zone what are you doing this weekend so then this weekend just the
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way the scheduling worked out I'm doing uh another adventure race but this one's this one seems like a walk in the park
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it's only eight hours long but they are really fun it's as hard as that was sounds like a lot of fun it was it was
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very much you know at times it was actually fun but at times it was just miserable and just so out of your
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comfort zone but it was all type too fun right like in the moment it's not that fun but after the fact you feel really proud of yourself for for doing that it
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was a true mussogee it was an experience that was so out of the comfort zone it just brings you a new light of what
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you're capable of as a person so it's awesome I feel like pretty cool I would be in for 24 hours I was gonna say like
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an overnighter yeah 36 hour one we did a couple years ago seemed like a walk
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yeah because I mean when you have gnarly travel days just with certain stuff like we almost don't sleep for 20 24 hours
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already you know so like here's to heavy activity and you know navigating with that but yeah more than that I don't
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know that's pretty cool though yep um one of our listeners uh you know sent an
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email you know basically saying like good luck and he said that he had a couple of adventurous under his belt and
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one of his teammates had accidentally put like or he sat down or put like his pack on his ant hill oh yeah there was
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Angels they were like Savage ants yeah that bit him like a couple hundred times apparently and had to take him to the ER
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wow and I was like wow I guess yeah Anything could happen I mean yeah yeah they it really can I mean that's that's
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what's so crazy too is the once you're in the mix of that race some teams are
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you know knowingly not getting all the checkpoints so they're way ahead of you but you don't really know if they have unless you ask them so it felt like we
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were you know lower backpack the whole time and turns out that we actually ended up getting top 10 but it's really
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hard to know and then some teams could be crushing it oh like I told you the guy yeah this crazy story this guy uh
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solo goes out just as flying as fast as possible I just couldn't believe the
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pace he was going and I was like man this guy just said he's running like seven minutes it's running like seven miles this guy just must know something
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we don't know so this is the start of the start of day two we're we're starting a 26 Mile Trek and he's
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finishing it running by himself like looking fresh just floating it's one of those you know most professional Runner
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they just float when they run I was just like how is this possible like how do we suck so bad or how is this guy just an
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elite athlete I don't know what's happening one or the other or both you're like I thought it was fair and yeah exactly and then sure enough 50
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hours in the guy hadn't slept well at all if if at any and he starts
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hallucinating like crazy gets completely lost by himself in the middle of the mountains and and pulls the shoot calls
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Emergency Services because he's just like it's over like just bonked out the fart hallucinating and just like what
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was he thinking wow yeah burned all the matches just burned every match as fast as he could yeah I was like what and
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then the matchbook and then it was under the match yeah so did you say how many
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uh checkpoints he got like how close was he to finishing or I think he would I think he had like 38 checkpoints out of
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the 47 or something he was only 10 miles from finishing yeah I mean if it was a
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36 hour or even a 48-hour race you think you probably would have put in like world champion couldn't quite do three
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days he said wow he said he's super good at navigating until
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and that's what's tough when you're sleep deprived and you're navigating and you can't figure out where you are in that map I mean it's it's kind of game
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over especially if it's three in the morning you know just out by yourself just nuts what a crazy what a crazy
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sport um seriously yeah it is it is enjoyable though when in the way that you're
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you're mixing in all these different sports there's so much tacticality to it in terms of navigating and the Transitions and it's pretty fun um it's
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no wonder it's a niche sport because like who how many people want to subject themselves to that sounds like something
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you came up with honestly yeah I know it's right up my alley it's like man who's who came up with that suggested
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that was it's good fun but yeah what what a nuts what a totally not so you're gonna do it again next year
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I think I got one of those a year I don't know if I could really like a three day one like that I don't know if
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I could do more than one year yeah it's just so hard another thing that's gnarly Jeff seemed like himself until this week
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but I know that amount of sleep deprivation and I got really bad tendonitis in my arms from the kayaking
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I was the least prepared for the kayaking um and yeah 20 miles of kayaking my arms were just destroyed it is right off the
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bat right it was right off the bat yeah that's like going out for a marathon never running before that's like pretty much what you did it's like
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yeah it's like that was really cute yeah the late kayaking was brutal and it's just hard to do that it's yeah you know
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it's easy for me to ride bikes and run all the time but I can't I can't do that yeah yeah and then you had to go away
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right yeah yeah exactly that's wild yeah good sport crazy times but it'll be
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great memories yeah great memories I think I'll do one a year nice another three days I'd say that's almost type
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three fun right like past tattoo yeah not even not even fun after the fact
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yeah just still like
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yeah that's cool yeah a year later you're like yeah I'm ready yeah that's type three fun yeah my body was wrecked
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I think I lost maybe almost 10 pounds uh I'm all cut up and everything shins
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bruises like my fingers are all screwed I'm just all messed up but I don't know I mean my upper body was way worse from
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the kayaking than anything so yeah but my bike held up I rode the Revel Ranger um that was a perfect bike for all of
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that sort of stuff there's a few gnarly sections that were a little rough on that bike but for the most part it was perfect for that nice um the only little
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mechanical I had was I went to unclip and I couldn't unclip and then I toppled off of a cliff sort of into these bushes
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and my cleat bolt had just vanished oh no way yeah and I tell you that like that's what happened my cleat bolt
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disappeared and so I couldn't get my I couldn't get my foot out of the pedal because the your Clipper falls out here
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it just spins yeah so what'd you do I had to take my my shoe out of the or my
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foot out the shoe and then I used a rock to pry the Crank Brothers uh the
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basically the spring yeah to get the shoe out and then I was like oh yeah the cleat Bolt's gone okay and then the
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on the down tube of that Ranger the little bolts that hold on the little rubber frame protector that bolt
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actually ended up working as a cool that's amazing not perfectly but enough to finish the second leg of that ride dude because if that didn't work I mean
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you're screwed well yeah I would have had I would have had to just take the cleat off entirely and ride it ride it
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flat pedal style wow but other than that the our bikes held up and that's good gear wise everything held up actually uh
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Greg's trekking poles both of the little things that hold the poles rigid broke somehow like just from the abuse what do
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you mean those little buttons that hold the train you extend them and clip it back yeah
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exactly both of them broke and we we used I had spare water bottle cage bolts
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just in the bin and we duct taped those in there and it worked nice so other than that like it's pretty smooth
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sailing other than you know all things considered wild so good times good race
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I don't know if I recommend it to anyone but yeah it's good but you're doing another one this weekend what are the
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distances like on this one you're about this one's nothing I think it's five miles of kayaking 24 mountain biking and
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a 10 on foot oh geez okay be home in time for lunch I mean considering Saturday yeah it just seems so easy oh
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my gosh yeah oh yeah you said you did like 100 miles on the bike or something over the course of the three days yep
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nice yeah it was fun I mean crack range is beautiful that whole area we got to ride so much and yeah you saw a lot of
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it when you did the brick epic last year right Liam yeah it's an awesome area I mean I probably wasn't like taking it
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all in in fact we might have been taking more evidence since we were following him around yeah that's right yeah but
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yeah it was awesome I like Breck yeah me too it's a hell of a place it really is trails are awesome it's beautiful Town
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yeah I really enjoy it I'll like go to Breckenridge every summer yeah that's a good goal um
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sounds good well anything else or should we jump quickly into this first listener question
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let's do it if you had a tail what kind of tail would it be
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did you sneak that one in there no somebody actually asked this yeah um I was kind of going back and forth
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between like a tail from like a like a chocolate lab or a tail from like a like
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a leopard or like a panther like a huge one that you can really for sure you would have thought uh beans cat I
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thought about it yeah I mean I would wouldn't I would like either one of two things either a big fluffy beautiful
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foxtail oh um or or for practicality if I'm still going to continue being a human I would
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just I would like one of those little Nubs that pitbulls have oh like I was thinking you could probably hide that
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behind your waist belt I don't even know I was thinking you know how sometimes they clip those a little long oh yeah so
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they're like they're like three and four inch little Tails so you can still hide it but you can still wagon you wanted to show it off as a bar trip yeah yeah I
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bet you I have a tail I thought it would be kind of cool to like grab something with it you know yeah is that just your
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tail you know like you know when like cats like walk up to you and they're like kind of like touch you they're like
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like another limb you know if you're gonna have it pretty much yeah you know that'd be cool yeah it'd be super cool
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write the best toilet paper ads ever Jared wrote that what are you talking about yeah very impressive original content there
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original how about this listener question what attributes make a tire good for
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blown out and Dusty conditions deep Granite sand what are some tires that work well in these conditions
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so I'm assuming deep blown out Granite sand is kind of like Mammoth like this
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is how the Sears get this time of year um kitty litter as I like to call it
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yeah um honestly like good decent mud spikes are good for that
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that's what I was gonna say right I would say um not quite that far but magic Mary
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magic Mary something awesome big knobs magic Mary's the best for that see here's here's where magic marries are a
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little bit sketchy in that because I've tried this they work amazing in that kitty litter soil I mean it's a hard
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pack second you hit the hard pack spot or the uh the pavers
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they just roll the knobs want to roll and it makes the bike feel really nice tall from Continental would be really
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good yeah absolutely that's what that's made for yeah Shorty's a Touch Too Far actually uh
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specialized hillbilly is pretty good for that it's a good mixed um almost mud tire but not quite nice
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yeah and then there's a prototype Max is leaked I saw that uh that looks like it's exactly this tire it's basically
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slightly updated shorty it's basically a dhf and a shorty had a baby yeah that
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sounds cool yeah speak thinking of mud tires have you ever had the pleasure and and the gift of running a wet scream
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yeah I have really yeah I spent at least for a whole year a whole year in 2009
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racing downhill uh on the east coast and it was just muddy as ever every weekend
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and then a couple times I ran wet screams wow um or clipped wet screams a lot of times okay too spiky so we'd clip
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them wow I've never even seen a lot of people will clip dirty dance too for that reason okay so obvious version of a
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wet screen wow yeah that is talk about miserable doing a downhill race and all
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weekend it's just pouring and covered in mud and you're running mud tires and everything's a mess and all your gears
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I'd rather do a three-day Adventure Race yeah that's crazy oh my gosh all right well
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there you go basically like a mud Spike and nothing too crazy yeah close to it but just consider yeah I mean if if
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there is sections where there's pavers or there is hard pack because that's what's tough even about Big Bear sometimes is there's areas where it's
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just this really softy Sandy loose stuff and then there's areas where it's loose over hard and I mean no tire is going to
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work good and all of that for actually for me I like dhrs in that yeah DHR is a great time for that because it still has
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a lot of space yeah so it can sink into the soft stuff but it doesn't have two tall of knobs that it feels wandery once
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it gets hard packed and then um Nico when he came out here he was doing some testing he had a clipped acid guy
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so like every the third Transit transition knob you just clip that off just to give more space inside of the
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tire for mud or loose stuff yeah that's a good idea yeah we also had that prototype 2.5 dhf you remember that DHR
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oh that's what I meant DHR yeah yeah it's not prototype but it's just I guess yeah just athlete only athlete only oh
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God I just want that point one of an inch for my dude grind your gears I'll
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give it to him I saw McKay with one front and rear like probably three or four years ago
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all we want is yet another one well that's that's that's what I asked I asked Andrew here and there for
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something I'll be like hey like what about this he's like that's athlete only or we're not we're never gonna make that too many skus yeah that's right that's
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your problem not mine my problem is I don't have 2.5 DHS I want what I want is
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icon double down oh yeah two three five icon double remember yeah yeah not available chair Graves
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only um God imagine being that guy with this will make it tired just for you my name is Jared
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hey this is Jared calling us you need the resume yeah you don't have money
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World titles in seven disciplines yeah what do you think if I just like leave out my last name and I call him and be like yeah this is Jared just calling for
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my monthly allotment to be handsome Australian and one of the most accomplished mountain bike races of all time I'm none of those I'd say bicycle
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you're right it was not even just mountain biking yeah some like Road titles or I don't
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know maybe not all right let's do this next question what's happened here is it possible to use a modded Eagle cassette
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like on Jeff's Ranger with axis and somehow electronically lock out the 12th gear that would be for switching between
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a trail wheel set and a race wheel set 11 and 12 gears respectively and being able to lock out the missing Gear with
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the axis so you don't uh blah blah blah go shipping this folks go Bean at the end of it right there you added up no I
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did not I never do but can you do that on you cannot just can lock it out of here you could
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manually crank in your limit screw so it stops not on transmission because there
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is no limitations yeah um so you couldn't wind that in I would
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think a better option would be run an e13 cassette yeah with like a
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a nine or Leonardi or Leonardi with like a nine what's mine on my road like 946 I
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think um yeah so I have a 946 for my road wheels on like my gravel bike but they're like
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my more rode style wheels um and it's a 946 that way I have a little bit more top end and then I run
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the 1052 on my gravel wheels and I'm a little bit more low end so but use the
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same trailer on the same derailleur yeah I don't have to adjust it it's perfect I just swapped them out I have the same hubs so like break and uh cassette
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alignments all the same swap out boom boom two minutes yeah that would work for this guy it seems like yeah I mean unless he's going for like less weight
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with the 11 speed but I mean sometimes those are less white though yeah probably a little bit right just yeah it
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depends on exactly what he's going for but I think it's worth looking at uh e13 and Leonardi in terms of two aftermarket
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cassette options that work really well and that have really unique uh spreads
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of the cogs and then you go they go to nine instead of a ten yeah I don't know why SRAM doesn't do that maybe they just
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don't think it's as strong well you what you could also do is do a ceram Explorer
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cassette which is 11 44 or 10 44. true yeah not as good as a 944 though nazca's 944
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but if he's just looking for a little bit less top end a little bit tighter range no I ran that e13 cassette on my
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and granted he's some e13 cassettes have had problems people had some warranty issues with those things when they were
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new but they've sussed those out for the most part yeah and stood behind the product and I ran one on my gravel bike
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for well over two years and it was fantastic yeah I've got that Leonardo cassette on that Banshee right now and
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it's awesome it's like an awesome way to get a cassette that has a it's lighter has not as gigantic of a cog as an eagle
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cassette um and it has a even bigger gear range yeah I think I probably have 2 000 miles
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on my 13 cassette on the on the road bike travel bike really yeah I had on two bikes nice yeah there you go all
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right okay well there you go sir okay next question love the podcast and
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I was wondering if you could rank these three mountain bike crimes from most acceptable to least number one mixed
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suspension number two mixed tires and number three mixed drivetrain and we're
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talking about Brands mixing Brands mixing brands on your components wow
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those are all three highly punishables these are all highly punishable I'm gonna go ahead and say
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for me the least would probably be mixed
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suspension agree really just sometimes there's there's just a case to have a float x2 in the back and a different
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fork or the other way around right now push shock or something yeah and and
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realistically mixed suspension they can both work great they're just not the same brand totally you know okay I guess
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you could make that argument about tires too if you said the right ones yeah so is that yours too mixed suspension mixed
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suspension would be least punishable number three I'm gonna say tires this year number three yeah yeah sometimes
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you find yourself in a predicament you know you don't have matching brands that to me is the most part yeah to me that's
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most punishable I guess that's the easiest but Jeff doesn't even ride tires longer
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than like 10 rides he's never putting on mixed tires ever yeah okay understandable my situation is unique
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well my garage is filled with Jeff Chen right 10 Right Tires dude
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I recycle all of my lightly used tires to all of the worldwide Cyclery staff there we go yeah I just finished uh
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those Ventures or those WTV growl tires that you gave me yeah for me I'm gonna say Lisa suspension
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second is drive chain as we're just talking about mixing drive chain for certain situations and the most
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punishable and what I will never do is mix my tires very interesting drivetrain's also a tough one because
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just putting a different cassette on an ex like a full Shimano or full SRAM Drive training you just swap the cassette out that's totally acceptable
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yeah in every way possible but yeah it doesn't count but if you're not if you're trying to put a doing stream on it Shenanigans
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we even allowed you on this podcast I know
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for that okay that's because the XTR shiftered
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earlier were a gift and I was building a bike and I needed those two parts and I was like well yeah I'm not gonna just
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throw these away yeah they would have gone straight on pink bike for me so I eventually did that but
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only after I realized that it wasn't that great you know yeah that's where the truck so what are you what's your
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least punishable to most yeah you agree with him okay
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um I'm gonna say worst is gosh I'm gonna say worst is
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drivetrain then tires and then suspension there you go and I meant to do that
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cool table Banger cool table Banger cool
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how about this one our udh frames out selling a non-udh frames these days it
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was a thought that came up when I was looking at used bikes should I even buy a bike without a udh that is a super
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good question well for the first part of the question almost every new bike we have now is udh
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it was like a year year and a half and everyone updated it and almost every bike now has udh so
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I mean I guess you could say yeah they're outselling but also like brands are just making bikes with udh so like
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it's kind of hard to like justify weather because they're selling
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more as udh or because Brands just updated the bike like at a perfect time with udh Banshee doesn't have udh
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doesn't it Banshee does not and so does a rascal a couple couple Rebels don't right now mostly just Rascal I mean you
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gotta imagine everything will soon enough right for sure so I I don't know but it's also one of those things where
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you know what are the pros and cons so you cannot run transmission without udh
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how much does that matter to you yeah exactly uh versus getting a really good deal on a bike that's not udh if so
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possible yeah and if you bought that bike and you bought one or two extra derailleur hangers yeah because it's an
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important thing to mentioned for years the life of the bike yeah like it's very rare I replace the derailer hanger it is
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nice to have udh when I'm like going on trip but like and then you already have a spare with you probably I do yeah yeah I always
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bring my own spare whether it's udh or I have to Source it differently yeah yeah yeah the idea of a universal driller
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hanger is convenience not necessity and transmission is a luxury also not a
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necessity so yeah a massive luxury yeah uh so yeah it just kind of depends on
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um you know yourself weighing those pros and cons versus yeah right now I mean whenever they're whenever there's a
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quote-unquote standard change you can always find really good Bargains of the
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last standard and that's kind of the case right now so maybe that outweighs
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the the luxury of the convenience of a derailleur hanger and a universal
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driller hanger and transmission yeah yep definitely yeah I mean if you're if you prefer mechanical language then it
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really wouldn't even make a difference yeah I mean I certainly I don't know if you really want a bike and it's a fantastic deal and you're in
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really enjoying your existing drivetrains then I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about it and I wouldn't I would
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never knock someone for not having a udh bike oh it's completely fine so you have a non-udh pipe you're right Banshee yeah
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that's true I even know yeah because I like my girlfriend and I have mine yeah and right now I have my Breville rail29
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with udh and I have a mechanical drivetrain on it I'm not going to change it for at least a year if not for the
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life of the bike until I you know the bike's done so yeah yeah there you go all right this question I will sum up
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go for it I've been riding for more than 10 years and always weighed between 80 and 85 kilos uh this summer I have lost
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some weight and I'm down to 73 kilos great job dude um as I was riding my suspension started
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to feel stiff and way off I let some air out of my fork and it felt better I looked up on ibis's site and it looks
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like I should drop my coil spring from 550 pound to 4 50 pounds is there anything else I need to check my real
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question is rebound compression even tire pressure um yes uh like five pounds can make a
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pretty decent difference on bike setup and as you change your spring rate so
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whether it's spring rate on your shock or the air in your fork is also considered spring rate uh your
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compression and your rebound will also change mostly rebound your rebound is
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basically based off of your spring rate and the bikes uh
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suspension kinematic so yeah if you took air out making it softer you can also take one
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click of rebound out so make it one click slower hmm
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there you go can be a good place to start that's not science that's just a good place to start yeah nice I did not
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know that about rebound there you go oh who could have told you that a cork shock Wiz or him orally
41:39
listening to them yeah I mean you ever seen a chart like yeah you're heavier and as you add more weight you actually
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have to add more rebounds right so it makes sense yeah yeah I think it's funny when uh people comment and say I want to
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hear the buzz Ted guy answer this question and they put some really technical question in those comments are
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so funny laughs my name is Liam
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cracks me up how about this one why are your hubs
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making noise and why do different rehabs make different noises is this also for the Buzz head technical guy it is now
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is it possible to make a silent rear hub do you have a favorite or least favorite sound of your Hub and does that
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influence your choice in building a wheel clearly they don't know about Onyx hmm it's a stealth silent Hub honest
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clutch actually silent because nothing is engaged while it is coasting it's a
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completely different design that uses uh what is it what was it called clutch well yeah but in a way that people can
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understand what it looks like it's a it's a roller bearing needle that yeah that's why it has infinite engagement
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because it can roll one way but it can't roll the other way because the size expands the directional bearing or you
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know it's almost like it's hard to explain you know like one of those little like wind sock things and sometimes when they get faster and it
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kind of gets more it grows its uh Wings I'm not even explain that right
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I know what you're saying though but if you ever saw it on the sort of the schematic of it or if you saw one when
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they when they slice it in half and you can see the inside of it you don't understand but yeah so there is hubs called Onyx which have a completely
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unique and patented design that are completely silent and that's pretty rad
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and some people absolutely love that I have always wanted to build a bike with me especially like a downhill bike or a
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drill bike I'm impartial because I I like the sound of a hub I think it's just sounds cool and a high-end Hub
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sounds expensive it's like the exhaust of a Lamborghini you don't go I want a Lamborghini that's silent like I don't
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know you want the sounds of that Supercar um yeah you want that sound but but I
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also completely understand the the beauty of Silence especially on a mountain bike yeah so that's awesome one
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thing I kind of like about Hub noises and specifically a hub on the louder side is while you're riding around the
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trails it almost acts as a bell it does like it's loud people hear you coming when you're going downhill totally does
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yeah yeah but to answer the question hubs make noise as the engagement system
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um there's different engagement systems which is why they make different noises
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more grease less grease if you haven't serviced it in a long time it's probably louder than if it is freshly serviced
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um but yeah it's dry it's loud
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um weird how hubs do that all hubs are different yeah hubs are different uh and then the other it's I don't really have
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a favorite sounding or least favorite sounding but my preferred Hub choice on
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any setup is usually DT Swiss because star ratchet system is just so reliable
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and so easy to work on and you can easily change the engagement from 18 to 36 tooth 54 tooth depending on
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your bike setup and what you want yeah that's true so yeah that is really nice about DT hubs yeah I like the industry
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nine hubs yeah me too I just like the the look of online hubs the USA made fact the I don't know yeah yeah I
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visited the factory it's just awesome no school in real life no super watching those uh industry nine aluminum spokes
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be laser etched right in front of me was like that's cool yeah yeah that's what I want that one on my back seeing a whole
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rack of the the tree of all the Hub shells that's getting getting dipped for anodized and all the different colors it
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was like wow that's pretty awesome yeah that's super cool yeah yeah and that's what I like about them is I guess like not only are they super high quality USA
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made and have high engagement but like you can get you know whatever color into the sun you want yeah in terms of customization nobody beats them yeah
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yeah I do think they look fancier than DTS DTS yeah yeah I mean it's definitely
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boring it's Swiss right they don't look expensive or Bouchon by any means they they internally have heard the motto
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similar to Henry Ford of that you can have any color you want as long as it is black yeah yeah
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but I would say second choice I would go DT I mean it would be cool to to ride a
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set of Onyx hubs and like I think those are also kind of in the I9 camp where you can get you know crazy with your
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customization like they actually have really sick limited colors too they have like powder coated they have a color of
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the month that I've always like there's some that are like hammered metal or something and I've always wanted to
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build a set for that and I just never pull the trigger yeah like they're like the fluorescent yellow and like throws
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them with mcgurus like oh you can get a little crazy yeah um okay there you go
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um this one's kind of a comment and a question you should make an online bike tracker like the Domino's Pizza Tracker
46:44
you type in your order number and see status updates your frame has arrived at store X waiting suspension Jeff has
46:50
snuck your bike into his bed but also are there any good bike tracking systems out there Apple Air tags uh seems to be
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you mentioned often but requires an iPhone user be nearby I put one on my cat and it doesn't really help unless he's in someone's house is that that's
47:04
true though because you track bikes when we travel all the time and yeah so so the way air tags work is essentially
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it's a pretty unique system so that that tag is uh constantly emitting a signal and anytime it's near any Apple device
47:17
that has uh like any new modern Apple device it will ping that and then relay its location so it does require Apple
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devices which makes it extremely useful in the United States where there's Apple devices everywhere
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makes it less useful in other countries where Android is more dominant but there's a ton of other trackers that are
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Android related that Samsung makes and tile t-i-le they make a Tracker that works for Android phones and iOS phones
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but um it it's not meant to track your cat necessarily
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um well they do have GPS like collars that you can get they do have those yeah you have one for being but no because
47:53
you just go outside indoor cat don't trust a lot of people do use air tags for their bikes though yeah that's
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that's not uncommon I guess it depends on what your what you're trying to track and why it sounds like they want to
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track like if you bought a bike from us for instance you want to see like its exact location instead of just like the
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last tracking up so yeah I need to break it to the dude but the Domino's Pizza track is just an automated algorithm
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that just updates [Laughter]
48:23
kind of it's the kind of thing that it would uh if if our business was infinitely more profitable and we just
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had a lot of extra time and money to build fun things like that's what we would build that would be really cool
48:35
random cartoons showing you your bike and where it is yeah that'd be really cool I mean AI animations of Jared in
48:42
the shower with your bike being built things like that maybe they're actually real that's your question right you know what
48:49
would be actually I mean you could have an option like you know extra 150 bucks I don't know how much an air tag costs
48:55
but like add an air tag to your 20 or 30 was that how much they cost yeah so then you have owners of them right well the
49:01
problem with air tags and this is being fixed in next month actually with iOS 17. historically you can air tags were
49:09
linked to one Apple ID so you cannot share an air tag which is super annoying
49:15
um that's being fixed on iOS 17 so when the iPhone 15 comes out next month you'll actually be able to share it
49:20
which then it would be pretty cool because we've been talking about that because we've had three bikes lost from
49:26
FedEx recently wow yeah I know about one but three not funny uh big Financial
49:32
loss that's an insurance is insane too dude insurance is a joke it's like
49:38
there's a countless stipulations if there's one logo on the box oh insurance will cover it you didn't read that fine
49:44
print it's ridiculous unreal yeah so anyways that we I was actually talking about this with Tyler uh who runs a lot
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of our Logistics at lunch today and air tags and things like that because yeah it's a huge issue my entirely been paying our heads against wall for a
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month about this yeah so I think once iOS 17 comes out you know Apple gets
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really good adoption on their new iPhone os's a lot more people be able to share air tags and for us to even be able to
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ask someone hey do you have an iPhone if they say yes it's like great what's your Apple ID email we can then share this
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air tag with you and you can see where your package is on the way to you the other problem with that though is if you
50:20
think about it FedEx loses a thing and you like well here it is in Kentucky on the on the side of this
50:26
fulfillment center what are you gonna do go there yeah I mean I would I would I mean I guess you can yeah but you're
50:32
gonna go there and like tell the guy at the door like I got my zair tag you guys have told me it's lost here's a tracking I mean I I guess it's Gonna Fly there I
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mean if it's a ten thousand dollar bike I was gonna say if there's ten thousand dollars it's almost worth the three what
50:45
a flight for me to go there yeah 100 yeah it is yeah I still drive there sure I know I got my bike we're talking about
50:51
it's my baby that's my baby I need that I know like no man you don't understand
50:57
it's right here I could see it it's right there right behind you but I mean realistically what's the same situation
51:02
like if it gets lost at the airport like you're gonna do the same thing you know Hey listen I'm looking at it it's right
51:08
here like yeah true you know and Airport some level of reassurance that's like the best situation in terms of it being
51:14
around more iPhone users because like you're almost guaranteed to have people around it yeah like hopefully they didn't just drop your bike off at
51:19
somebody else's house yes and they don't know what to do with it and they're sitting there and yeah yeah I don't know
51:25
I think air attacks our cool system and and Apple and Google are actually now starting to work together to make them
51:32
cross-compatible from for both devices and more so on the Privacy side so if you know someone has an Android phone
51:38
you can drop an air tag in their backpack they don't know that it's following them around or vice versa yeah
51:44
um so they're trying to solve that problem before they're trying to make it all cross-compatible but yeah I don't know that's a cool idea I brought that
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up to Trevor today about that part of air tags yeah um and how like they emit a noise or
51:57
they alert an iPhone of someone yeah yeah and he goes why would you ever want
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that I'm like well you know if you're maybe a female and someone drops it in you're not being stalked whatever yeah
52:09
oh I've never thought about that yeah because most people aren't weirdos but that's an issue that is out there I had
52:15
one in my my bin that I shipped from Colorado back here and it was actually really fun to watch it it was like oh
52:22
here it is it's on the 15 it's like it's making its way worse that's awesome but I wonder if the fact driver got that
52:27
notification you probably get some all day yeah FedEx driver probably on those big routes where they're driving with who knows how many air tags in the boxes
52:34
the back of their truck for Wow hours at a time they sneakily checked Jared's bike when he was still in Whistler yeah
52:39
oh yeah he wasn't a Whistler oh thank you Rylan no he's in Orange County or something oh yeah oh yeah
52:47
he's back in California he didn't tell us an air tag is kind of near you you're
52:52
not safe and there is some cool so muck off and lasign both both brand and toe
52:58
Peak right all three of those Brands I'm not sure about toe Peak but definitely milk often and yeah make ones that you
53:03
can either hide in your like valve stem I think mock off has one which to me doesn't make sense because then it's
53:08
gonna wobble and rotational away so I wouldn't recommend that but the ones that go into the water bottle cage is a great idea yeah they make some that go
53:14
inside the steer tube yeah yeah or your head tubes there's always the hide them in your bike yeah which isn't a bad idea
53:20
yeah I think that's the best because I mean realistically like if your bike's can get stolen like a sophisticated
53:25
Thief is gonna be like they're gonna know it's gonna be in the it's going to be in the water bottle cage or like you know yeah
53:32
most thiefs are not sophisticated so I'm sure banking on the yeah the probability there yeah well anyways that is all we
53:40
got for this episode we're running up on the hour time limit here and I've got to go do some running me too you gonna run
53:46
yeah what are you gonna do this evening
53:56
on my last mandate I ran into Jared that's right well that's your favorite spot
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listening this far uh Kettle we just dropped a mountain bike specific short called the skid mark short uh which has
54:27
a very much knee pad friendly mountain bike cut in terms of uh inseam length
54:33
and size and back rise and pockets it's pretty dolled in yeah pretty proud of it so if I say so myself the tan photos
54:40
look pretty good on the website yeah so look at them yeah they do you were the model maybe very nice maybe very nice or
54:46
similarly tattooed Villa Liam is also the model for the bib if you want to see the shape of his schmeckle
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[Music] and that's it for episode 118 thank you very much
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see you guys later we love you cheerio