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2021 MTB Industry Predictions, An Embarrassing Way To Break a Frame, Bike Geo. Changes & More...MTB Podcast Episode 79 [Podcast]

MTBpodcast · 2021 Bike Industry Predictions, An Embarrassing Way To Break a Frame, Bike Geo...MTB Podcast Ep. 79

Overview

It's been a bit but Jeff and Jared are finally back in the studio to chat about new products from SRAM, Peaty's, Berd wheels and the pros and cons of various suspension platforms. They also give their input on which Revel bike, the Rail, Rascal, or Ranger, is the 1 mountain bike to do it all.

The guys also discuss why we haven't been as active on social media and our plans for the studio at our shiny new SoCal shop. And we can't forget the outlook of the bike industry for 2021. Will it be more of the same or will we finally start seeing products come back in stock?

On a more personal level, Jeff and Jared dive into some recent stories, one bike-related...the other not so much. Finally, the guys close things out going over new products and upcoming reviews we will be doing, answer a few listener's questions, and share what they have been riding the last month. Enjoy!

1:29 Where have we been lately?

4:30 Outlook for the bike industry in 2021

25:40 Funny personal stories

34:50 New Products

39:55 Listener Questions

58:10 What we are riding right now

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[Music] welcome to episode

79 of the mtb podcast presented and hosted by worldwide cyclery my name is

jeff and i'm joined by my name is jared his jared biermann handsome co-host jared biermann is not that's not his

last name but that is his instagram name yes uh we're going to tell you about all sorts of various mountain bike related

things and some maybe not mountain bike related things that we just think are funny and want to talk about because it's funny and that's fun

uh the topics the topics uh why we have been a little silent as in uh says worldwide cyclery on the media

front these days um well less last i don't know month month and a half i don't know

of holidays going on in uh december and january so we weren't on youtube and podcasts and instagram as much as usual

we're gonna talk about that uh some cool things there we're gonna tell some funny stories about one how i broke my gravel bike

which is funny and depressing all simultaneously jared's laughing at me already it's not surprising because he knows he

knows what happened yeah it's a good story we're going to talk about some 2021 bike industry

predictions we're going to talk about a couple new products little interesting things there answer some listener questions around

suspension platforms and when to upgrade your somewhat old bike and what we are riding right now so yeah

plenty of things to talk about plenty plenty let's get into it let's do it

sound effect radio silence

Where have we been lately?

we have we have been a little bit quiet on media since uh i don't know december and mostly that's because we have been

very busy we moved so where most of all the worldwide cyclery content is filmed and recorded is predominantly in our

california location we have a location in nevada and pennsylvania as well but california location is where this is

being recorded and where all the youtube videos get done for the most part and we moved shops our lease ended on

our last building at the end of december so we were busy as ever moving desks and bikes and bike racks

and tools and everything would everything what did you move oh pretty much everything except for the toilets

i mean it was it it's it's a hassle i mean i think everyone's moved and it's a

challenge let alone challenge of moving a whole building of people's stuff and bikes so so yeah we we weren't on the media front

as much but the new store is basically 98 of the way done now and it's pretty rad

do you like it jared i love it yeah it's massive improvement everything everything from

the front door the front door to the back right the front door is nice yeah the front door is nice i like it

we now have a sort of dedicated room for recording podcasts and filming youtube

videos and it's a it's got panels all over you can see it right now if you're uh if you're watching this on the mtb

podcast youtube channel you can check it out uh same exact podcast is on youtube if you prefer to

watch rather than listen on your favorite platform and why wouldn't you i mean look at these guys

yeah look look at us look at us right now look at us [Music] [Laughter]

adam the uh one of the mans behind the camera is just looking at us like what are you guys doing shaking his head but uh yeah you'll

start to see a different look and feel to our youtube videos um coming up here because we got some

fancy new lights and some fancy little sound panels and yeah it's all good stuff we're excited for that our in case you didn't know

our california store it's uh it's a retail showroom so we've got bikes and we do service here and a lot

of the customer support team is here marketing and media is here we build bikes we service bikes we ship things

out of here most of our shipping about 96 of it goes out of our reno nevada and

lancaster pennsylvania locations which are both retail stores that are mixed in with like warehouse fulfillment side of

things all that stuff is on the interwebs if you're interested in checking that out or if you happen to be around there

stop on by they're all open monday to friday the california ones open monday to saturday jared's here please

do saturday i'll be here this saturday oh really yeah there you go please come by say hi please come by we'll give you a sticker

no that is an incentive if i've ever heard it um yeah so there you go that's that's kind of why we've been a little bit quiet

it's a good upgrade for us we're excited uh check out the google machine worldwide cyclery california if you want to see

some pictures of the new shop and yeah expect to see more stuff there we will hop back on more podcasts and

youtube videos soon enough here and now let's talk about outlook for the bike industry in 2021

Outlook for the bike industry in 2021

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and now back to the show so so 2020 i think everyone already knows

it's kind of a you know been talked about too much now covid changed the consumer behavior the human

behavior of i think everyone on the planet right yeah absolutely and bicycles really benefited

from that there's a lot more people writing um a lot more stuff selling so stock

changed i mean everyone already sort of knows what happened bicycles got exponentially more popular in 2020

which is great i mean i love seeing more people having fun on bikes that's definitely important thing that i think makes the world a better place so that's

cool but it did have some ramifications for the bike industry

and uh that's getting that's getting talked about a lot and now we're in 2021 and we're wondering what's going to

happen this year bike rumor actually wrote a couple really good articles about their predictions for 2021 in the

industry in particular and then sort of mountain bikes of the future and it was there were great articles they got shared amongst the staff and we're

going to just blitz through sort of the key points and our opinions on them so you guys can kind of know what's

going on with the bike industry in 2021 and what's going on with mountain bikes in 2021 so

jumping right into that the first thing on the industry predictions is everything will be in short supply

i would have to agree i mean i think it's getting a little better but i would definitely have to agree it

seems really common parts yeah like drive trains everybody wants you know the entry-level 12-speed you know

one-by-drive train that's getting increasingly more difficult to find um especially the good stuff yeah it's

hit its low point though i mean things are definitely just spotty they're in and out of stock way more frequently than they ever used to be in

the past but they they come in they come out but it's it's kind of like i think it's hit its low point and

it's not like just continuing to go downhill it's kind of like plateaued at sort of like it's low it's not like it was in 2019

and years past totally so things are in scarce supply so yeah i agree that's that's definitely a good one i think

everyone's everyone who's riding and in the industry has experienced that to some extent right now and even just our own catalog

on worldwide cyclery is i think it's like 40 out of stock or 45

right now it's been fluctuating around there which yeah it's tough i think every every single retailer is in in that same boat and brand it's it's

just a challenging environment to get product because it sells so fast and it's also harder to manufacture it because there's a lot of manufacturing

going on and not enough capacity for all of it so imagine toilet paper what happened with that that's basically what happened

with with bicycles and bicycle parts absolutely so yeah good good prediction on there next

one only a few new models will launch what do you think you know i am not 100 sure if i agree

with this i think that some models will launch you know as planned but will you be able to get them you know

doubtful like we just saw the new forbidden long travel the dreadnought i believe it's called yeah

and you know they have frame only kits but yeah they're waiting there's gonna be a few months before they can actually roll out complete bikes

so stuff like that you know they are launching new models but complete bikes yeah i think a lot of

these bikes and frames are being engineered and planned typically like three plus years before they actually

are seen by the public eye yeah so yeah i think i i don't know that is a tough one i think maybe people will

launch stuff and then there'll just be like limited availability right on different build kits and things like that so

yeah it'll be interesting i don't know if anyone's gonna not launch a bike they were planning on launching and they were probably planning on launching something in 2021

way before 2020 right so i don't know we'll see i mean yes no situational big brands small brands

everyone's in a different situation there but it's it's probably a good prediction next up

we might not see new brands launch either so the theory there is that it's just so hard to be a startup

mountain bike brand and as whether you're making frames or parts or anything yeah yeah makes sense for sure could see

that challenging situation going on um the vast majority of the stuff in the bicycle industry is

made in asia and the factories over there are just overwhelmed and backlogged and at max capacity so yep i definitely agree

with that yeah unless you are doing everything in-house you're owning your own machinery and everything like that i

mean yeah and that's the next prediction right so even domestically made parts are going to be hard to get yeah and they've got a wolf tooth pictured

there so yeah true i mean hard to get long lead times everybody just has to hang in there and be patient and

it's just going to take longer to get everything it seems like yep we we sell quite a bit of wolf too they make some amazing stuff all cnc usa made and they

haven't been i don't know you would know better night what's their like stock levels like on their con like dropper make an amazing drop of remote yeah

favorite one yeah definitely you know ever like everything um before

early covet yeah it was really hard to get that yeah you know really hard to get their dropper remotes and stuff like that

but it's getting better yeah it's better now it's not horrible leveling out yeah 2021 is shaping up i

mean even just coming into we're recording this uh mid feb just about mid february and it's not

that bad i think we were probably collectively more pessimistic on inventory levels

you know summer time last year and fall time oh yeah fall 2020 we were very pessimistic on

inventory coming in 2021 but it's it's seemingly held on pretty good but then again it's february and

come march april may it might all just disappear once everybody's back on their bike yeah

yep in the north when it's all cold and white right now absolutely uh next one brexit will

complicate things for now i think yes but i'm just really not that familiar because

we're just american boys and we've heard we've heard about it i don't know have you heard much about

it yeah i heard the story with brooks how they're even having a hard time selling saddles within

the uk because they have an italian distributor and it's created this whole mess where from what it sounds like they basically

have to ship stuff to italy to get it back yeah it sounds like a whole mess so i could only imagine if that's just

brooks how you know manufacturers like frame manufacturers and and bike companies in the in the uk i

can only imagine the catalytics that they're dealing with right now yeah basically everyone in uk europe all that and here we are going

have yeah it's trouble yeah crazy like that's having a hard time seeing the benefits of

brexit from that standpoint so complicated i haven't even bothered to like try and understand it because it's

just complicated yeah yeah i guess it's hard for us to say but yeah if if any uh if anyone who's

extremely familiar with it wants to educate on us um let us know maybe we'll have you as a guest star on the podcast

please do that would be cool because i'd like to learn more about that and how it's affecting the bike industry in europe yeah me too um cool

let's jump to the mountain bike predictions the most important ones fluctuating build specs so what that

means is you know when a bike comes out and it's like yeah this is the build spec we offer at this price and it has this derailer and this dropper post

in this seat those always typically have an asterisk and it says subject to change because you know they might not be able

to source a certain thing but they kind of never do yeah you know historically right obviously but now

they will yeah that subject to change will they will utilize that little clause now because

absolutely yeah they spec it with a certain set of wheels and then they can only get 50 pairs of those wheels and then boom

they got to change the set of wheels and change the price so i don't know we saw transition do that pretty early they had some supply

chain problems and now everyone's doing it yeah yeah every bike brand is having issues just getting what they

originally wanted to spec the bike with yeah see that with a couple of rebel bikes someone in the back yesterday i

had the crank brothers synthesis wheels and typically those only come with the i9 under os so

there's one example right there just spec fluctuations right there yeah product supply and all it all ties

back to that which is making it a challenge next prediction more tubeless bikes on

the showroom floor so that's i don't know we we live in such the high-end mountain bike world

specifically that everything's been tubeless um i don't know so it's hard to say

i mean at one point there was no tubes like there was no tubes it was insane i remember uh my

girlfriend's boss his daughter's bike they needed a

tube for it and it was it was a 24 inch bike and i was like i'll fix it for you they own a cafe so i was like i'll fix the bike for you

in exchange for some cold brew and like we brought the bike in and like we couldn't find it

was like hey we couldn't we can't get a tube like we need to get 24 inches you can't like what you're like no like every bicycle

industry distributor was out i couldn't even buy one at retail from i looked at walmart amazon i mean like

all i scoured the internet for like 30 minutes i couldn't find it ridiculous and since when are all these people getting on these flats

i think i think there's just more people like you guys so so this was in i think this was in june right so that

was kind of like people were really riding bikes more often and yeah everybody's going out to get a new bike

yeah gyms are all shut down yeah taking their old bikes that they haven't ridden in three years and they're like well i guess i'll go to disney world

this year so i'm just gonna ride bikes with my kids yeah yeah i don't know so i mean but it seems like it's changed that dudes seem

i don't have a total good finger on the pulse when it comes to tubes because we live in the world of tubeless sealant

more so which that's in stock yeah stands no tubes orange seal but it wasn't yeah right it did sell out for a

while there um we actually brought on pd's which is a rad that's a brand by steve pete the

former uh famous downhill racer and uh yeah we just brought that brand on for tubeless sealant and rim tape and

valve stems um i like that stuff i like that they have they mix humor into that brand yeah did

you read the product descriptions i have not so they have rim tape it's called pd's rim job

and it's good so if you want some entertainment um go check out pt's products we've got a good selection on our site

and uh they just have good funny product descriptions and names and i appreciate that that's awesome

uh more 29ers as a prediction i think you could say that every year for the last 10 years like

yeah yeah i don't know i mean 29 just get more popular that makes sense yeah fox fox uh let out some data talking

about the percentage of 29ers versus 27.5 and it was pretty clear that 29ers are wasn't like at least eighty percent yeah

in terms of like forks that they were sold insane yeah yeah i didn't even really upgrade if you're upgrading you're upgrading your

29er which yeah it's interesting so yeah i mean i agree with that continued geometry evolution i

i kind of disagree what do you think i think there's going to be some minor

things like uh kind of like how pink bike poked fun at how we kind of make these little

marginal gains every couple of years like you know we change our degrees by half a degree and then they came out with the grim

donut yeah that was funny yeah you've probably seen that yeah but they found the limit right yeah like how slack and

how steve can the c2 be and how long can this be i think they've realized like yeah okay this is the extreme of the scenario

and the marginal gains actually are good for something that kind of lets us you know experiment and find

that perfect middle ground of like where the good geometry is yeah yeah i agree i think

i do think brands will always be playing with geometry but i think as of recent it seems like brands have

started to realize that there is a limit for the majority of riders versus the minority of riders

and what i mean by that is you know you look at pros right like elite level mountain

bike riders that really ride their bikes at a completely different speed than i would say the other 97 of

average weekend warrior mountain bikers and those riders that ride at that speed

just need different geometry like they require different suspension setups and different tire pressure and different rims and

and different geometry and a lot of those changes that you need when the bike is going that fast you their their hindrance when

the bike is not going that fast so i think that brands are starting to realize that more and they're

they're realizing like oh hey if you know 97 of the people that buy this bike are not elite level pros maybe we

shouldn't engineer the geometry for elite level pros for the production bike for the general public i don't know that's that's my

take on it i think brands are starting to like reign it back in because they might have like okay we found the limit and yeah just a weekend warrior doesn't need

a 63 degree head angle on his trail bike it's not gonna help him yeah i would say probably some more

entry-level models are gonna we're gonna see some more geometry changes like some more updated geometry on just

you know your basic entry-level bike the trickle-down concept yeah exactly like that kind of like that perfect balanced geo is gonna start

trickling down to bikes you know below two thousand one thousand dollars exactly yeah that's a good point yeah yeah that'll be cool

rise of the high pivot so if you're not familiar with that that's yeah that gets into the

whole world of really nerdy suspension stuff but high pivot suspension designs have been around for a long time they're

starting to sort of make a comeback or just become more apparent totally and uh yeah it's just it's changing the

chain line of the bike routing the chain over the high pivot to prevent chain suck it was something that was more

popular i think wow canfield on their jedi right their downhill bike it was more popular in the downhill

world because that's where chain growth really matters more on an

eight-inch travel bike and it's starting to trickle down to trail bikes and people are realizing some advantages

i don't know i i agree i think more brands will do it but i don't i don't know if there'll be any significant

difference i'm still of the verdict that we're pretty close to perfection in terms of mountain bikes and that

things like the high pivot are they better yes are they significantly better not in my

opinion and will most people notice it probably not will a few people notice it sure right you think you'd notice it

i think i would yeah yeah i think tough guy even uh like i snapped my chain the other day

and i had to ride home without a chain and i could instantly notice the difference

like at the suspension without the change yeah you're right that's true i think which bike are you talking right now the

115 sp 115 sb 115 115 mil travel 29er trail bike yeah and even that you notice a difference

you think yeah with no chain yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean for everyone out there listening

if you want to see for yourself uh just take your chain off just pop your quick link off at the top of a downhill and

ride the same downhill you've always ridden with no chain and you will notice your suspension does behave differently and that's kind of

the concept of the high pivot is to get the suspension to perform as if the chain wasn't on the bike yeah

and yeah i think it's pretty sweet i mean definitely it's pretty cool not having any other noise aside from the you know

yeah i mean it's cool yeah that is totally true but yeah it was you know it is what it is but yeah i

thought it was pretty cool noticing that yeah yeah give it a try yeah listeners let us know how it goes let us know how it goes

yeah actually if anyone does that please tell us if you notice a difference i'm really curious next up

more room for accessories now this is this is referring to basically like water bottle style uh you

know mounts on various different places like the top tube and the upper part of the down tube

yeah i totally agree like specialized swat yeah yeah yeah exactly i see more brands doing that sort of thing they're

picturing uh what is that those are the things i think that's an ibis ripley right there at the top with the bag on there

all the time bag in the front triangle yeah even the rebel ranger that i'm riding has got mounting for that up towards the top of

the down tube which is cool yeah i agree i mean i think brands are totally gonna the scout transition scout as that a lot of brands are doing that so i think it's

a huge opportunity to integrate things that people are already gonna be carrying you know integrate that into the bike

yeah and just a fancier way than wrapping a velcro strap around your frame yeah totally 100 yep i agree

uh more flat mount brakes for mtb [Music]

so disc brakes on mount bikes originally had the is mount which you basically you had perpendicular bolts going into a brake

adapter that then the brake adapter bolts went down into they kind of changed that for post mount

and then flat mounts really becoming popular did it start on road or did it start on gravel flat mount uh

probably both i would say yeah you know when road bikes started getting disc brakes and it's kind of probably around the same time gravel did too i would say

and now people are starting to put it on mountain bikes which i don't know i mean i i do get that

there's some advantages to it uh is there disadvantages to it the length of the bolts the complexity of

the adapters it's like an adapter for your adapter yeah it's hard to it's hard to tell if

it's going to do any good in terms of adding complexity i don't know what kind of benefit do you

see in that uh shoot man i don't know i mean if everyone just

immediately switched to it like every single brand every single brake company tomorrow then

maybe there would be a benefit because it's like it is more snug like the picture they show you you can fit the brake caliper in that

triangle between the uh chainstay and the seat stay as opposed to on top of the chainstay or sorry on top of the

seat stay so i don't know uh i just depends on the rotor size though right

yeah i know because people at mountain bikes change rotor sizes so much more whereas like road and gravel yeah it's much more common to just run

the size rotor that the bike was designed for but mountain bikes people are like oh i ride it more downhill even though it's a trail black so i want a

bigger rotor so like adapters play way bigger role in the mountain bike scene so i don't know it's tough it could be

right oh god i don't know yeah complexity of i don't know

the bolts and all that deal it's just uh yeah it's just another complicated thing to learn there's like no real standard right

now ever yeah yeah it's confusing yeah go ahead and google

flat mount breaks and just have a gander see if you see if you leave that google search more

confused than not um next up emtb gets radder and bikes

will get lighter i agree i mean i just see so many more e-bikes on the trails

of all kinds it's it's wild so more than regular bikes it seems like

these are like at least around here yeah so we're riding predominantly in in socal just just a bit northwest of la

and yeah i mean i yeah there's probably times i got and i see more e-bikes than than normal non-e-bikes

like sycamore just get these guys flying past me constantly yep yeah even like hike i'll

be hiking sometimes and someone just like blitz past me on an uphill like what the heck and then it's like oh yeah he's on a levo he's just flying

and he's yeah classic yeah i mean i don't know e-bikes are still

for whatever reason controversial i mean i i'm a fan of the fact that it's just getting more people on bikes and

they're enjoying it and they're just fun to ride and like we ride bikes for fun don't get mad at people if they want to ride an electric one but people probably

just got mad at me for saying that you know i don't know it's it's gonna be like what it reminds me of the whole 29er

thing when 29ers started becoming a thing yeah and everyone was you know there was just this huge faction of

die-hard mountain bikers that were like they're stupid 26 for life there's still are those wagon wheels

yeah but they're they're they're really small percentages yeah like it like started out as like yeah 40

of people just were haters on 29 and now it's like 0.4 percent of people yeah i think e-bikes might end up being

the same thing but i don't know we'll see yeah it's like until you try it right it's like don't knock it till you try it

that's how i feel about it yeah yeah i agree yeah i totally agree that's that's what i tell people and at the same time it's

like it's just bikes like they're some are electric some are not some are for roads just ride a bike and have fun exactly

don't get heated about it exactly so but yeah as far as that prediction goes i agree i mean you're already seeing that in the last

you know 12 months e-bikes just continue to get nicer looking and lighter

and more efficient in every way so i don't know yeah i agree with that i agree too yep

uh there you go there is your 2021 bike industry and mountain bike predictions

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Funny personal stories

story time so we decided to tell some more personal stories on this podcast uh ones that in particular maybe include

bicycles because that's i mean basically any stories we have usually do so my story is how i broke

my gravel frame my carbon salsa cut throat gravel bike your frame the frame oh i didn't hear

about this i broke the frame and and your story is don't give it away just just give the snippet of it what's

your story well it just has to do with a cleanse okay

okay so so my story back on the week of january 11th uh so we

we acquired a mountain bike apparel brand called kettle mountain about i don't know a year and a half ago

and we've been working on all the new product designs to and we're launching sort of all the new styles uh this spring which i'm super

excited about i got the final prototype of the new shorts that that we designed and they're epic and i was like i'm gonna

have a hell of a week testing these shorts so i'm gonna wear the same pair of shorts with no underwear for the whole week and

i'm gonna do a lot of stuff so so on tuesday i ran

six and a half miles on wednesday i ran three miles on friday i hiked 3.5 miles

saturday i rode 10 and a half miles to the beach then i swam a half mile in the open

water at sycamore cove beach against the current like a like a baffling [ __ ] but it was fun and i couldn't even feel my

arms and then i rode ten and a half miles home while i was about to go in for my ocean swim it's kind of a windy day

i had ridden my salsa cutthroat it's supposed to be like an adventure bike they created it for like

the tour divide right it's like they call it a drop bar mountain bike i don't know it's pretty rats also makes a lot of

really unique like very focused adventure bikes very cool the cutthroat

is the one i have and it's supposed to have drop bars but i put flat bars on it and a dropper post because i'm a mountain biker and i cannot ride

drop bars sorry i love that thing super fun for little rides like that and so as i'm as i'm getting ready to go for

my swim i lean my bike up left crank on uh on a rock and um i'm taking my shirt off getting

ready for the swim gust of wind blows bike blows over and the top tube just

smashes on around oh

it was as if you just took a hammer to the top tube no um i wrote it home i wrote it 10 and a

half miles home and uh i i'm still riding it i got another 30 miles on it since and it's

fine it's definitely broken it definitely should be replaced but it's the top tube which doesn't take

that much stress so i'm just i'm just going for it i'm just hoping crossing my fingers it's gonna be okay

and i think it's okay i probably should get it repaired i probably should replace it i do not recommend anyone ever ride a broken carbon bike but they're expensive and i

just feel like kind of an idiot you know how can pray yeah yeah yeah that's what you're doing right now

i mean everyone's probably like i don't know lifted your bike out of your truck and scratched something you know or maybe your bike just

accidentally fell over it's like when you have a brand new helmet and you knock it off the table yeah so if one broke my frame it was

just i was like four feet away from it the wind just blew it over hit a rock that was unreal um

maybe like a boulder i mean yeah it was like a like a football sized like stone in the sand that just like

blew and landed right on the top tube oh yeah oh i was depressed i'm still i'm still a little

depressed about it so it's not a very cool story that's awful isn't that fork uh also

well there was a small batch of those salsa cutthroats that they had like a a recall on the forks but mine's not one

okay good so my fork is good i'm just gonna want to make sure your whole bike is not complete it was a pretty small batch of those

okay um but yeah but i'm still riding it but anyways that's how i broke my carbon gravel frame um but i don't know

still works and then the sunday i i hiked 16 and a half miles

uh how many how much was that was with you oh uh 11 10 or 11 yeah yeah oh yeah it

would have been it would have been 10. yeah yeah so so jared and i and some friends and jared's girlfriend we all

hiked mount boney um which was what was the total elevation i i went from home and like hiked a trail

through home so i added i think it's 2000 elevation no it's more more than that yeah yeah it's a 3100 foot

elevation mountain that like overlooks the ocean it's pretty cool it's an uber it's it's like the big prominent mound that

overlooks newbury park which is where we live we found a new route well i found a new route

the night before and i was like wow this looks like a really good route a lot of scrambling a lot of sketchiness we should try and

hike that and i convinced a few uh people who may regretted their decision

or not to hike up this route did a lot of rock climb scrambling a lot of sketchy climbing stuff and

it was good did you have it it was a blast yeah i would like to get some better shoes next time but yeah yeah do not wear old shirts

jared's girlfriend paige was uh more than once said i am never hiking with jeff again

uh but but i kept reassuring her that we were all back at the car and it was all fine she was gonna be really glad she

hiked that mountain and you're right yeah see and then she yeah see so she was very glad she did it she was glad she did it yeah it was cool

people pushed themselves it was a lot of out of your comfort zone it was fun we ran into two ladies

um on the mountain as we were hiking up um i we heard someone just go hello

and and they were lost for sure they were they were lost and and i and i yelled back i said hey i got your

grubhub order and then i heard some laughter and i was like okay so they're not too in danger

but they were totally lost and it was it was so steep and there was so much like rock scrambling that they were afraid to go up

further because it couldn't go back down um so then we we helped him out and they hung out with us and we took him all the way to the

top and did some more cool rock jumping and it was a good time so that was it was a it was an eventful week i had a great

time other than that the whole week was phenomenal other than the fact that i broke

my gravel bike that broke the top tube ridiculous ridiculous and how'd the

shorts hold up was that dude the shorts were amazing yeah i wore the shorts seven days in a row no undies never washed them

um swam in the ocean in them they're amazing like just just wait can't wait march march april ladies and

gentlemen you're going to see some amazing shorts from kettle mountain and i can tell you all about how i wore them with no underwear doing a lot of

activities um so that was my story so we were talking about we were going to tell stories that was a story i want to tell i want to tell you about my january 11th

week in that event the eventful week i had and then uh jared came back with uh with another

story he wanted to tell so go ahead go ahead well another story of disaster

uh yeah i was in trader joe's a few months back and uh you know over by like the vitamin stuff

and i came across this colon cleanse and i thought this is gonna be a great idea um you know just why not right like new

year new me i'm gonna try this out and and i'll be clean as a whistle and i'm gonna be drinking juice after this

and like all those people you've seen commercials well one night uh i think it was about a week

ago i tried to decide i decided to try it and uh within 10 minutes i found myself

in the bathroom um explosive diary explosive wait okay so you do this at

night time that was maybe the first mistake but i didn't i also didn't want to take it

before i came into work and and i didn't want to have to take the day off i guess that was the alternative i

thought i was this close to to texting al and saying i'm not going to make it in i can't tell

you why but no i tried it and it was disaster um well i guess there's two ways you could

look at it it was disaster for how it felt and i was very i definitely was cleaning his whistle afterwards you accomplished the goal it

blends out yeah the product did what it said it did right yeah long story short uh

there are many many trips to the bathroom the next 24 hours um and i'll probably put that back in

the cabinet and not touch it for quite a while [Laughter] well uh there you go you're listening to

the mountain bike podcast by worldwide cyclery and uh you probably didn't think you were going to hear that but that's the worldwide

salary way and if you're looking for an effective colon cleanse trader joe's has a really good one

over by the vitamins we were not paid for that advertisement by the way uh all right let's take a quick break

and by break i mean cool sound effect and then we'll jump into some new products and then listen to questions and jared and i are going to

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New Products

new products new products new products there is not a ton of exciting stuff to talk about

because everyone in the mountain bike industry doesn't really release new products in the off season

but something that is still relatively new which is pretty rad is the sram access new rocker paddle so yeah for

context ceram access it's a controller they call it not a shifter it's their electronic mountain bike

drivetrain uh the shifter also known as a controller the original paddle was i don't know i

i didn't really like it i thought it was not that ergonomic what did you think yeah i mean definitely required a little extra effort to get into the gear you

want it was just a very different shape than the traditional shifter right yeah and took a little

getting used to took a little getting used to yep yeah i agree so sram listened to the consumer feedback which that's what they

said i would assume most of them and they engineered a fancy new one that is much

more familiar feeling to the existing regular mechanical sram mountain bike shifters and uh

i think it's much better it's 25 upgrade so that's pretty cool much better what do

you think i like it a lot actually i had the chance to install one on my girlfriend's dad's sp

130 lunch ride with an axis upgrade kit and super easy to install which is

awesome and yeah there's definitely an ergonomic improvement there's that little wing that comes off

to the right hand side and it just gives you a really nice place to put your thumb like you would with a

regular shifter yep um and you know it's no surprise it's one of our best selling products last

couple months yeah i mean as soon as we it was announced and we listed it for sale it just flew off the shelves

so clearly like a lot of people wanted a different shaped paddle for that access shifter

totally so yeah i'm gonna be interested to see if they come out with something similar for the

uh access reverb um although i don't know that's right you know i don't know i don't know if people are complaining so much about

that yeah that one's not because that's a single button it's not like there's enough right now so right that one works pretty good it is what it is yeah but yeah i like that

one too yeah um but yeah overall i think it's a huge improvement i really like it and and it's just yeah

super nice and easy to to shift gears on it now yeah that's cool yeah i mean i guess moral story there is it was just cool to see

saram listen to all the consumer feedback on their premium electronic mountain bike drivetrain

controller and engineer a new paddle that just worked really good and worked better and

obviously a lot of people wanted it because they sold like crazy as soon as they as soon as it came out so i don't know i respect

sram for for doing that especially because if you have one it's only a 25 upgrade which is which is pretty cool so

there you go that's that that's something that's still relatively new and interesting and exciting if you've got an access controller the

other cool thing i guess i don't honestly know how new this is but it's new to us uh bird spokes b-e-r-d and we're not

going to go too deep into this because this is some hardcore bike nerdage and to be honest the number one bike

nerd in worldwide cyclery is mr liam woods um and he is super occupied with various

other work related things right now um just that's what's going on so he'll be on next podcast episode but to touch on

bird spokes b-e-r-d they are what are they well

let me tell you bird spokes they basically look like a string that is a spoke and they are flexible

canvas string looking bendy spoke yes how that makes sense

i don't know they are made from an advanced polymer called ultra high molecular weight polyethylene

and it has 12 times the strength to weight ratio of steel and it floats on water

it's pretty cool they look very cool it is cool yeah it's the we saw them we heard about them and uh

we got in touch with them to test some wheels and it's just it's cool like it's really interesting when you see an innovative unusual product like that and i'm

personally kind of a weight-winning i still care about my bike being light which most people don't jared do you to an

extent i guess it depends on the bike not as bad as me yeah i mean i want my you know cross-country bike to be

lighter but my enduro bike i don't really care i mean it's a tank so i want it to be able to smash everything

yep and hold up to it but i'm very interested to try these spokes i can't wait it looks

like there's definitely some improvements um over traditional steel spoke yeah thursday that makes sense you know some

pros and cons but yeah super cool looking can't wait to try them out so we will we will have all ridden them

uh by next podcast episode and we will go more in depth on sort of what these crazy things are and we'll probably put them on the

youtube channel just because they're crazy and wild and interesting but we need liam for all of this because he is the ultra bike nerd that's going to have

way more details on things like spoke tension and how you lace them and all that sort of stuff so stay tuned for

the next podcast episode to hear more about bird spokes which should be pretty cool um let's

Listener Questions

just jump right into listener questions what do you think we actually have a couple of really good ones so one of them's about suspension platforms and

one of them is about when to upgrade a somewhat old bike these are really lengthy questions so we're going to

uh kind of shorten them up a little bit but thank you for everyone who sends in questions we will try and get to the

best ones and always answer them in the podcast um you're always welcome to email questions to podcast worldwidecyclery.com you can

also just hit the mtb podcast website and just drop a question in there as well so audience questions

uh the first one basically the question is around uh it's as i know

you know jeff and liam are riding rebels i'm curious what you guys think about the descending capabilities on both the

rail and the rascal so the rail is there is revel bikes 27.5 was it 165 mil

travel in the rear right 170 in the front uh 27 inch wheels and then the rascal is the 130 in the back 140 in the front

29 inch wheeled bikes and uh so yeah the gentleman says he's coming from a yt

jeffsy he's curious he wishes rebel had 150 ml travel 29er we all do i'm sure they're working on

that rebel's a fairly new brand they're out of carbondale colorado it's a brand we took on

not too long ago basically right after they launched and they're making some really good bikes and where this question kind of goes is he

was curious about you know comparing it to the yg jeffsy and about the cbf suspension design so

cbf which is the canfield balance formula it's the patented suspension platform that revel bikes uses and

he's kind of curious on how well it works descending and then also how it might compare to something like the yt

gfc so it's you know there's a lot to unpack in that question because it does get

super nerdy so um adam and i actually went to revel and when was that adam august 2019

yeah almost couple years ago yeah august 2019 i think we went there and we visited we went to yeti we went to revel and

then we went to sram's uh colorado springs location all in like the course of four days a really cool

trip but while we were there we filmed a video uh with chris canfield himself which is uh

the main engineers canfield brothers so chris canfield was the main dude who engineered cbf um he was actually at the

revel bikes headquarters while we were there in carbondale and we made a whole video all about the suspension platform so if

you really want to nerd out on suspension platforms check out that video just put in rebel bikes cbf into youtube and you'll find

it um suspension platforms i don't know it's an interesting thing i feel like i do get a lot of

questions friends and just you know people hit me up and ask me about that and it's

you know because yeti has a really unique suspension platform everyone kind of does some people have more than another and i think

i kind of put them into two buckets you have sort of those patented ones like dave wiggles and and cbf um dave wheel

the dw link has various different designs that are licensed to various different brands which is why ibis

uses a dw link so does um davinci so does pivot but and so does evil

evils is the delta system um yeah you're right yes also bikes uses dw yeah so

there's those patented systems and there's those sort of what are known in the industry as more of like off-the-shelf systems sort of like open

unpatented styles uh most brands use the open to open off-the-shelf sort of design some

use the patented ones is there a significant difference oh

it's a very tough question because it does kind of depend on who you are how much travel the bike has

and really what how perceptive you are of that suspension platform when you're on it and then there's like a million

other variables like your tires your wheels your actual fork and rear shock and how you tuned them

so i don't know i mean jared you talk to a lot more general mountain bikers than i do like

what do you what do you think what's the cons like of all the people you talk to on daily basis on the phone through emails in our retail store like

what do you what do you feel like when it turns if you were to give like a ballpark of like yeah the most people i

talk to who are mountain bikers do you think they're super perceptive to like actually if they were

somehow somehow blindfolded could tell the difference between a patented suspension platform and not and

a delta versus a ibis dw version versus a cbf could they yeah i mean that's a really good

question if you could tell i mean i would say it depends on the rider and

the type of riding you're doing mostly right and like you probably won't notice these differences if you're just

going out for a pedal on like a nice casual single track but when you're like really getting into the

the gnarliest or you know like when you're pushing it to the limits that's i think when you start faster you're going yeah more travel the bike has is

when kind of anyone's going to be more perceptive to the suspension platform totally bike in general right totally yeah i

think it absolutely depends on how much you're pushing it and just what you're putting the bike through

you know like if you're just like i said cruising on a single track versus like pushing it and sending drops and super

technical rock gardens um and jumping and stuff like that you know that's all gonna

the bike is gonna react differently with different suspension designs so the average rider you know probably

not if you're like i said just doing casual riding but um you know if you're really sending it

and just gone rowdy stuff i think that's when you definitely notice the difference yeah yeah i agree i mean i think my

my take on that is that of all the years i've been in the bike industry i think the vast majority of riders that are

weakened warriors probably won't even notice like the difference between one suspension platform to the other they'd probably

benefit more from just having good quality suspension and having it tuned correctly

totally um that's gonna make the biggest difference right like if you have good quality suspension and it's very it's tuned correctly for

your weight your bike your riding style and you know the train you're on i think that's gonna make the biggest

difference i don't think it's worth getting although like all the bike brands might want to make you feel like it is i don't think it's

really worth getting like super nerdy into the different suspension platforms yeah um if you like to sure of course i mean

you're you're you're free to do so but i think for most people i wouldn't i wouldn't lose sleep over it

i guess i would say you know i mean the best thing i always advise people on is just try various different bikes try

various different i mean the more things you can try the better because i think a lot of mountain bikers don't have the opportunity if they don't

work in the industry right like they and they're not pros they don't have the opportunity to ride a bunch of different bikes and try a

bunch of different suspension brands and a bunch of different setups like people have jobs and kids and stuff and

they have other things to do than that but i i always advise people to just try more things if you can like

ride your buddy's bike you know trade bikes go to demo events that you know are r.i.p demo events maybe

they'll come back one day totally after covid but um you know just ride more bikes and and see if you can tell the

difference and if you really notice any things and then and then just like dig deep into your brain like what did i notice did i feel

different on that bike because the grips were different or because like the whole suspension platform was different i think one thing that most people

probably would notice like right off the bat is any squat like if a bike is bobbing

or if it's or if it's not bobbing and like you're just pedaling better like that's one thing probably most people

would notice i think yeah even if it's set up well or not um you know just immediately that's one

thing that's pretty easy to notice yeah yeah i agree i mean how bike pedal like how a full suspension mount bike

pedals and how efficient it feels and how bobby it feels yeah that's huge definitely is huge but yeah

i mean if you're really curious on that watch rebe the video we made about revel's cbf suspension platform and they're

basically you have like the best of both worlds you have jeremiah starkey who's one of the co-owners of revel talking about the

suspension platform and you have chris canfield himself literally explaining all about it

and yeah i'm really proud of that video i think we did a good job on it i think there's a lot of suspension nerd info in it when it comes

to annie squat and like what these engineers and bike designers are really trying to pull out of the kinematics of

the suspension platform which is like unbelievably more complicated than it probably should be but

like it's just the utmost bike heritage so it's cool and there's other plenty other good videos i mean just type in dave wiggle and start

learning about him and watching him on uh on various youtube videos that he's featured in because he's

one of the gurus of suspension platform designs as well so yeah um but but rascal a rail

if you have one bike to do it all that's what he's saying i would personally pick a

rascal um i love the rail i love the like longer travel 27.5 bike but

for me personally i would only ride a rail if i'm predominantly riding like really chunky

stuff and um going to the bike park a lot i was going to say so yeah yeah you know it's actually cool

so liam built up a a rail with a 29 inch front wheel

he made a mullet bike 29 inch in the front 27.5 in the back uh that's on our instagram uh jared and liam did a bike check all

about that so if you want to hear more information about that check that out but that's kind of an interesting take on like you want rebel to make a long travel

29er with cbf well you could probably just put a 29 inch wheel on the front of a rail yeah um yeah i mean i rode a rascal for a

long time i love that bike i'm currently on the rebel ranger which is a shorter travel it's 115 in the back and then 120 in the

front i love that thing for like most of what i'm doing especially in the off season when when bike parks aren't open

yeah um but i don't know i i think like the 29 inch wheeled 140 150 in the front 130 in the back or

140 in the back like that bike to me is like the perfect mountain bike yeah like you can still be light

enough and efficient enough to pedal it up a hill you can still like throw some meaty tires on there and

go ride the bike park and like it's dialed like you told an sb-130 quite a while but now

you have sp 115 by yeti which is 150 ml travel 29er and a 150 right yeah so you have like your

shortish travel and your long travel yeah yeah yeah but that's the thing it's like i go back and forth

all the time between the one bike or the two bikes because you're gonna compromise

either way like if you have that trail bike you're gonna compromise when you're on the gnarliest of the gnarly and on the mellow of the mellow right

yep but that's why i like to have that you know short travel 29er rip for all day and then when you want

to go like full send long travel bike yeah yeah there you go i mean i yeah that

makes sense but i mean it's also a matter of right people can have two bucks but one bike yes i absolutely agree

yeah if you had one bike would you rather ride a truck 30 mil travel 29er i think so yeah because yeah

the 150 i love it so much but it would be just a ton to tell around even just for like a mellow ride around

um whereas like even the 130 even the lunch ride like it's still super poppy and playful yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah which like yeti's sb 130 29 inch wheeled 130 mil travel um has 150 in the front and then the

lunch ride what is it that they put a little more shock on it so yeah so yeah they put a longer fork on it 116 in the front and

then the longer stroke shock on the back makes it 137 37 millimeters of travel yeah that's a

pretty rad bike yeah so like yeah that's that's like yeti's little like they call it the quote-unquote lunch ride

yeah um it's a good all-arounder it's cool yeah it really is yeah i agree yeah so i don't know i mean i i'm definitely a fan of that like 130 to 140

rear travel 29 inch wheel bike in terms of like if you're gonna have one mountain bike and try and do absolutely

as many possible things on it it's probably a great bike but again like

if you like to wear spandex all the time and just like crank out like 40 mile rides that's definitely not the right bike yeah

unless you have like a super less thing like when we legal entire setup can be huge right like you could be running recons

yeah and you probably could still do that 30-40 mile ride yeah you know but if you've got a nasa

guy and you know dhr2 like i mean you'll be slogging around all day yeah true

so it's huge i don't know if we made this answer anymore like i don't know if it helped here we just

hopefully there was something in there that was of value that didn't make the bike purchasing process any more confusing yeah but

yeah at the end of the day that 130ish travel 29er i think is probably the best do-it-all mountain bike yeah um for the

most part yeah at the end of the day it's all about the kind of riding that you plan yeah it is yeah what do you what are you gonna

do the most on it exactly don't buy a bike that works good for a bike park if you go to the bike park two times a year

right that doesn't make any sense that's what i always try and advise people like buy the bike that you're gonna use for the most

reasonable amount of terrain you're gonna ride most often exactly so yeah speaking of bike upgrades the next question

uh mark he's a long question here so we're going to try and sum it up um basically you know

he's kind of curious he says he's he's not unhappy with his main ride which is his stump jumper comp

from 2014. but um you know he was he was a little bit more budget-conscious back then when

he picked it out and it sounds like a lot has changed on fork shocks geometry etc since then

since 2014 i would agree but we'll get in that in a second um so yeah he's saying my question is you know uh

reasonably should someone upgrade a bike and how different and noticeable would it feel um you know in various other

options and then he also kind of touches on how it's you know there's a big shortage in in bikes in general that are

available and you know we talked about that earlier and that's true so it's hard to like demo and test ride a bunch of various

different cool bikes so it is tough so okay i'll i'll start on this one i think

that full suspension mountain bikes kind of peaked out in terms of

performance of the components and the suspension and the geo and all of that

in 2017. i think they've gotten better since then for sure but i don't think they've

changed that much so here's what i'm saying uh the the average 2017 model year full suspension mountain

bike versus the 2020 2021 bike they're not that much different not that

there's there's definitely some changes but not that much when you go back 2014 to 2017 there's some like

pretty major changes yeah you know some like seriously valuable components and things like 1 by

12 and reliable dropper posts and you know better geo like there's been some significant changes

from 2014 to 2017. that's kind of like the the last big revolutionary years in

terms of mountain bike you know geo and component performance changes so

yeah i mean that's that's my thought on it what do you agree disagree what do you think yeah i mean i think there's been some

changes right like in geo and component wise but you're right it's more of a refinement

yeah probably and you're right when you look back at a bike from 2014 24

or when i'm on the phone with somebody yeah i got a 2014 and i'm like okay you probably have a lot you need to

upgrade to get to modern standard which is a bummer for people you know they probably people with high-end bikes spend a good

amount of money back then on their bike and they're like yeah it hasn't been that long like well it's a long time in the mom bike world yeah

so they're yeah you're going to have to overhaul your drive train and you know your suspension and your

dropper posts um everything yeah internally routed dropper posts your wheel standards

it's pretty tough to continuously upgrade a 2014 bike yeah where it would probably make more

sense to just kind of keep it as is keep it as a backup bike i don't know or yeah sell it and upgrade it

get something upgraded it's or yeah sell so it's something that you know is still a solid bike that you can upgrade

in the future but yeah definitely if i was at that point i would consider a new bike um you know base level entry

level high quality new bike yeah yeah so i mean i think the advice there is like if you have a 2014 bike

yeah i think it's time to like start test riding some 2020 2021 bikes and

and you'll notice a significant difference totally in performance across the board and reliability um

geometry all sorts of changes if you have a 2017 or 2018 bike if you're not like dying to just get the

latest and greatest then like just ride it out or upgrade it and you can upgrade it fine because you've probably got the latest standards not that many

quote-unquote standards which is a ridiculous word to say in the bike industry because there you can't call it a standard if it changes every other

year but they do they as in the bike industry people i don't know i guess we're part of that problem now

but um if you have a 2017-2018 bike yeah you can probably just like continuously upgrade that thing and

you're dialed yeah you know whereas if you have a 2014 it pro i would advise like if you're really itching to get something new and

different um try out a new 20 20 model bike and you'll probably see for yourself it's pretty significantly different if you're

on a 2017 2018 bike and you ride a 20-20 bike you'll probably be like i don't know it seems the same yeah pretty similar so yeah so it hasn't

changed too much yeah so hopefully that helps some of you uh ladies and gentlemen out there that

are itching to buy a new bike but also word of advice please be patient yeah

please um the bike industry is at a total shortage right now bikes because of you know just consumer behavior change

throughout the pandemic and more people riding bikes and all of that so just be patient with the retailers

and the brands that you're trying to purchase with because they're all in the same boat they they wish they had inventory i

promise you they're not just telling you stuff's out of stock because they want to be mean they're they wish it was because then they could

sell something and then buy dinner you know so yeah um yeah so just be patient the bike industry is in

in a bit of a challenging situation right now as well as a lot of other businesses because the world is in a weird place

What we are riding right now

so that's that um i think that's it i think last we should just quickly touch on

what we're riding which we already talked about i'm riding my gravel bike with a broken top tube

i'm wearing the new kettle mountain virtue shorts which will be released in march and they're amazing um i've tested them

thoroughly i told you earlier and uh yeah i'm almost running my rebel ranger i absolutely love that bike it's

just super fun you know bike that i ride locally that i really enjoy and that's what i've been riding the most of lately and you're on

the yeah 115. yes and i've been riding my 115 a lot well we got a little bit of rain

here in southern california if you can believe it or not so i've been trying to ride like every single trail in my book

because i love riding them when they're tacky so not to rocky peak a couple times on the sp 150 riding all over here on the 115

threaten suicide here and there suicide's the name of a trail yes by the way the suicide trail name it

that it was just name that probably before we were born just an fyi maybe confusing to say we say it so knowingly that it's

a trail but other people don't know that that's a trail that's a bit of a suicide short suicide trail

yeah been riding yeah just been riding all over honestly like i said trying to ride every single trail that i know and love because i like riding them when

they're tacky it's amazing yeah it doesn't get better yeah it doesn't happen very often in socal because we just don't get enough rain

that's an issue but that's part of life here a lot of dust a lot of dust a lot of dust

uh well that's about it thank you all very much if you've made it this far jared and i genuinely love you and we

would love to send you fan mail for listening this long sand mail you mean send mail

yes uh fan mail was that you that said sandmail yeah we had a youtube video and jared said send

us sandmail rather than fan mail um i think someone might actually send us sand

we haven't gotten it yet but i'm waiting for it yeah there's been a lot of comments like what's the address i'll send you saying

so on that youtube video that video by the way was the uh

it was like the top sort of off the bike upgrades the best things to make your riding experience better

we covered a lot of stuff so i don't know hit the youtube channel if you want to learn about it thank you very much for listening don't

forget to uh send us your questions if you want us to answer them uh podcast worldwidecyclery.com is the

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